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Old 12-08-2013   #31
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Re: Driveshafted

Ok...... This is all a bit complex for me all I know is, it's more vibrating/ shaking I'm getting and it's on when accelerating from 30-50 no wobbling and no pull on the steering. I even took it out of gear and coasted down a hill at 60 so decently not the tracking
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The basic rules of the "40 wobble "-
1)- Only occurs on acceleration- will disappear if you take your foot off.
2)- Check for grease piled on the inside of the engine undershield (like mine was).
3)- Get the inner gaiter on the driver side shaft checked for loosened clip = grease loss
4)- Beware of Greeks baring gifts- if you have to replace the shaft- and a very cheap one is offered beware, but dont be fooled into having to have a Fiat replacement like I did thats forcourt robbery
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It's exactly as you describe! God dam.. Thank you
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If you have found grease/ loose gaiter -- have it filled to the correct amount with CV grease before resorting to the new shaft route, could save you for a bit of grease and fiddling about
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Hey been under the car this morning and took a pick of it. The drivers side drive shaft gaiter thing bob. It's got grease on but I'm not sure weather it's from the shaft of just general grease Click image for larger version

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Ok just been looking again and figured out that the pic I posted is of the track rod I think lol. Found the drive shaft further back ill post a pic can't see any grease on it and its not loose as far as I can tell
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Blonde moment over! First pis is of the passenger side looking down and 2nd and 3rd is drivers side
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Re: Driveshafted

From the pic on the right it looks like there c ould be some grease on the bracket with the bolt/captive nut sticking out. it also looks like you have no engine undershield, unless you have taken it off!!!
The gaiter is shaped on the inside to fit the shape of the "tulip" (Fiats name not mine) and the large clip is designed to be a one trip pony. If you have to take it off get a suitable size jubilee clip to replace it with before you start .
Have a look further back in the thread , I have posted the amount of grease that should be in this end of the shaft and also some photos/ exploded diagrams from my Fiat manual which will explain the construction better.
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Ah yeah I noticed that grease underneath it.. The shield is there I went through the wheel arch to get the pic. Don't think ill be able to do it though but I'm going to put a dab of paint on it and take it to a garage and get someone to look at it. Thanks again lol
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I checked my driveshafts also and surprise, I found grease leaks at both of them, the inner side and the short one is making clank-clank noises when I release the clutch after changing the gear. Funny, I had this noise but not so loud like now, since I bought the car last year, 10.000 miles ago and now its getting louder and louder. Tried to find the Tutela MRM Zero in my area with no success tho. I'm wondering if the regular Lithium/Graphite one works for the inner joint. I inspected the rubbers on both and they seem fine, probably the collars got loose, seems like a common problem, since we all got this issue.
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For me its the amounts that make the difference, Think any CV grease will do really, but dont overfill or you could turn the gaiter into an "icing bag" ;-)
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For me its the amounts that make the difference, Think any CV grease will do really, but dont overfill or you could turn the gaiter into an "icing bag" ;-)
I see, yeah I think that any CV grease is better than nothing . Now I'm looking if I can pull this job alone. I'm wondering if the gearbox oil will drop out if I take the drive shaft out. Changing the inner collar without taking out the drive shaft its out of the question I think ..... would be a good option, but the space looks so small. Did you serviced your driveshafts ?
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No I didn`t as my days of "scroaming about under cars has long gone. Is it the passenger side that is "clonking"? I have no experience of this side, only the drivers side.
My experience with this has lead me to think that it could be done with the wheel off and the wheel acrh lining out, however it may be worth checking the state of the wheel bearing as well before you just change the shaft. The bearing/ carriage has the tell tale teeth on the outside which gives loads of info to the computer about wheel slip/ ABS/ ESP and god only knows what else. It comes already set up and must not be moved during fitting or your dashboard will light up like a Xmas tree.
In truth I think it is a job for an Indie who is used to modern cars.

The problem with changing the "tulip" (inner shaft) is not just loss of gearbox oil but the correct fitting of a new oil seal at that end.
If you decide that "faint heart never kissed a pig" and you go for it yourself keep us all up to speed
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Now its the short one that is clonking, one the left side that is, for me is driver side as the driving wheel is on left for me. The right one is not clonking yet, or it may be clonking but more silently than the left one, this one still has some grease as I find some dripping every week, but the left one is dry. I'm affraid I will have to change it, probably someone has to check if the damage took place only on the tulip or the shaft has to be completely changed, as I saw in ePer, the driveshaft only has two components that can be changed, the tulip and the rest (shaft+joint+rubber seals, and the price ... oh the price is very high. I had the clonk noise since I bought the car, asked a good mechanic if its from the driveshaft and he told me that the "play" its normal and the noise its from somewhere else so I believe it until I found more grease under the car and noise got louder. Thank you for sharing me "the secrets of the wheel bearing" , now after all that you told me, I will positively, I'm 100% sure that I will not take out the driveshaft. I will try to fit the collar with it on the car, if I can't succeed I will try different collar, one with adjusting screw, now I got the OEM one. I really have to solve the problem, as the noise is too loud, and the shocks are most likely not good for the gearbox. And yes, I will keep you updated when I make a move, for the moment I'm dealing with some bodywork problems after a small accident.
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