we will have to see, if its just for 48 hours until they can work away around it with no contact unloading, putting that quick result testing in place etc them its to keep virus control. if they do nothing then there is more to it.
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we will have to see, if its just for 48 hours until they can work away around it with no contact unloading, putting that quick result testing in place etc them its to keep virus control. if they do nothing then there is more to it.
Sorry, but this is just naive.
France is the only country to stop all freight traffic, only for 48 hours, how does 48 hours of hold ups stop the transmission of a virus? Especially as many have pointed out it may well have come from Europe as it’s the south east towards the crossings at Dover and folkstone who have been worst hit.
France also happens to be the main complainant about wanting access to British fishing waters, this is perfectly timed in the last days of the negotiations to make a very big point about how a failed trade deal might impact on the trade to and from France. As I say you’d be naive to think this is only to do with a virus which is already spread all over.
If I were France, I’d have done exactly the same thing.
Other countries are closing there borders to the movement of people but not goods.
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Make up your mind who you want to accuse - the EU (as in your earlier post), or France (as in your most recent post). There's a difference, you know.
As for the 48-hour halt, goods in lorries are being moved by people! The halt allows time to review the evidence of the extent of the threat posed by the new variant, and to consider whether there are additional ways of stopping/reducing transmission. To see it merely as a tactical ploy in the Brexit negotiations is to ascribe to the French the same degree of bad faith and weaselly game-playing that has been deployed by the UK Government.
As for the 48-hour halt, goods in lorries are being moved by people! The halt allows time to review the evidence of the extent of the threat posed by the new variant, and to consider whether there are additional ways of stopping/reducing transmission. To see it merely as a tactical ploy in the Brexit negotiations is to ascribe to the French the same degree of bad faith and weaselly game-playing that has been deployed by the UK Government.
Negotiations are being made by the “EU” the demands not being met are being made by the “French” the French are not negotiating the EU are managing negotiations in that respect I’m not going to separate the two.
In terms of other ports around the uk it’s only the French who completely closed there borders to the uk so any uk trucks going to Europe by other ports not in France can then freely cross boarders into France if they so desire, shutting the the routes to France from the uk is not in any way shape or form going to stop the spread of a version of a virus that’s been around for a good few weeks that we know of, so explain with all that in mind what possible benefit there is to the French closing the tunnel and ferry terminals ??
Give an honest answer what is 48 hours of stopping movement is going to achieve.
I thought that this was supposed to be a non-political thread? Ha ha!
I am sure I will get abuse for saying this from some quarters but here goes.
This is only my opinion and it is Christmas so I am not trying to offend anybody.
This new variation has apparently been around for weeks, but the reaction around the world has been caused by Hancock and his hysterical over-hyping of it. So a massive political own goal.
And yes - of course the EU is different from individual member states, but it would be naive to think that France is not using this as an excuse to stir the pot. Macron is in trouble politically at home so he needs to look tough. There are countries neighbouring France who have had far higher infection rates than them in the past but they didn't close the borders to them.
It is in the interests of all the EU countries that we have a trade deal with the UK, but one of the final the sticking points is fishing. That mainly (but not only) affects France. Let's be honest - the EU IS France and Germany. The rest do as they are told.Mainly because they are nett beneficiaries not contributors.
And I agree with whoever said above that the UK could have closed its borders in March/April, but we were told we couldn't and that it wouldn't do any good as the virus was already here. So now we see that we could have closed our borders and we should have.
What a mess.
gar074
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On that I think we probably all agree!
Lets face it, France never needs much of an excuse to close its ports and stop the ferries.!
It is quite a frequent occurrence, which is why we have the "Operation Stack" procedures.
Even without officially declaring Operation Stack as active, there are frequently lorries parked up for miles along the M20.
I went to Dover on the 4th November, M20 fully open, but the hard shoulder and one lane was occupied by parked up lorries for several miles.
It is quite a frequent occurrence, which is why we have the "Operation Stack" procedures.
Even without officially declaring Operation Stack as active, there are frequently lorries parked up for miles along the M20.
I went to Dover on the 4th November, M20 fully open, but the hard shoulder and one lane was occupied by parked up lorries for several miles.
Different strains are quite common that was how they found out in some parts of the country if was spread in the household rather than a public place as they could separate the different strains. Of course its going to take weeks from discovery to realise when one can spread much faster than the others
They are not just on the motorway now though but parked up in towns and villages on the route, there was people moaning about them on the radio.
Some of the poor drivers don't even want to stop in france just pass through it to get home for xmas, some are even empty so no need to even custom check them.
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That must be a joke "Brittany Ferries" is French owned and started with the "Onion Jonnies" from Roscoff. There is no way France wants to stop/close a Port out of choice.
Alan
No I have to agree it’s not “France” that closes ports, normally it’s poor weather or events like fires in the tunnel, operation stack had been around for decades and it’s a way of dealing with things if traffic can’t cross the channel. It’s not often been a problem and only came to public attention in 2015 when there were a lot of closures due to workers industrial action. “NORMALLY” France wouldn’t want to close the borders. But they did on this occasion specifically to the UK ONLY. So if you sailed to Spain or Holland then there is nothing to then stop you driving over the border that way into France. So on this occasion it was definitely the French government who wanted to stop traffic, other than that it’s usually event or protest that causes closure.
After many years our family have pretty much got Christmas "sorted" on a 2 yearly cycle. One year we have "everybody". That is all three of my children with their kids and partners. Mrs J's sister and my brother. Then on the "in between" year it's just Me, Mrs J, her sister and, usually, my brother. This year was to be an "in between" year so the "Mob" would be with the various in-laws for Christmas day. My daughter was never going to make it this year so they are out of the picture but my boys live locally so, some months ago when things were looking brighter Covid wise, Mrs J worked out that we could have my older boy + family on Boxing day and the younger one + family on the day after for a "socially distanced" meal and get together.
I came down to make the tea this morning (lucky old Mrs J gets a cup of tea and a biscuit in bed every morning) and as I was waiting for the kettle to boil I saw this wee piece of paper on the worktop which Mrs J must have left there last night (Mrs J and I have got into the habit of making lists to support our memories now we're "old"):
I was looking at it and thinking to myself that it, rather poignantly, probably sums up most people's Christmas this year?
I came down to make the tea this morning (lucky old Mrs J gets a cup of tea and a biscuit in bed every morning) and as I was waiting for the kettle to boil I saw this wee piece of paper on the worktop which Mrs J must have left there last night (Mrs J and I have got into the habit of making lists to support our memories now we're "old"):
I was looking at it and thinking to myself that it, rather poignantly, probably sums up most people's Christmas this year?
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I think for the moment it's only the UK with the new strain of Virus.
Many other Countries have done the same with Flights, the list is very long.
For sure the new strain is already in other Countries.
Everyone is just trying to stop the Hospitals from getting submerged.
A real nightmare for each and every Country and so much stress.
Take care everyone no matter where you live.
Alan
Many other Countries have done the same with Flights, the list is very long.
For sure the new strain is already in other Countries.
Everyone is just trying to stop the Hospitals from getting submerged.
A real nightmare for each and every Country and so much stress.
Take care everyone no matter where you live.
Alan
UK news says other countries don't all check for strain variants not sure if true?
I read on Monday that the new strain had been detected in 6 other European countries. Italy, Denmark, Netherlands, Gibraltar and two other’s I cannot remember possibly Belgium but not sure.
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Think what you like, it was discovered in the UK and identified as a new mutation, however you must ask yourself why has the virus rate has been increasing rapidly in other European countries when they thought it was under control?
why was the mutation found in the main port area's of the UK?
This is a global virus and blame should not be put on to one nation for a mutation that nobody has control over, precautions against infection have not changed, but failure to take those precautions means there is a 71% higher chance you will get the infection.
Don't throw stones when sat in a glass house.........
This is basically irrelevant, other countries have stopped passenger flights, but freight is still traveling through ports and cargo is still travelling by air. It’s ONLY! France which has stopped all fright and flights, there is no discernible reason to have done so
Well there is and it has very little to do with coronavirus but given how often French farmers blockaded ports in previous years you'd think we'd have a contingency...
I've seen a few maps that seem to suggest Kent and the area around Dover is pretty much the hotspot for this particular strain other than London which suggests it probably came over from France to begin with.
But a French blockade was always on the cards.. because it does seem to be hobby of theirs. Expecting them not to do so at the 1st opportunity is somewhat naive, given they've blockaded over far less in the past.
From what I have read and heard the UK has a very well connected system for idetifying these strains because we are pretty hot on genomics and also the research labs and health authorities have a good protocol going.
I also heard that this virus variant has been identified all over the world pretty much and whilst it seems to spread more rapidly it is still survivable in about 99.96% of cases.
It is what a corona virus does. As it runs out of new customers either due to immunity or human interventions (like lockdowns) it mutates a bit. They are clever little buggers.
So our ego -driven Sage squad are keen to tell the world about our new discovery (3 months after they discovered it) and the idiot in chief Hancock can't wait to spread the bad news. So then France who are holding the rest of the EU to ransom over a trade deal have chosen this moment to flex their muscles. France gets what it wants out of the EU and always has. Why do you think there are two parliament buildings - one in Brussels and one in Strasbourg, simply because France insisted that they had one in France. It wastes €114m a year at the very least just moving staff between the two for one week very month. Just to appease the French ego.
And to top things off, Belgian senior MEP Verhofstadt tweeted yesterday :
"We forgot what borders look like.
Some thought they would remain open with or without the EU.
They will now start to understand what leaving the EU really means...."
I also heard that this virus variant has been identified all over the world pretty much and whilst it seems to spread more rapidly it is still survivable in about 99.96% of cases.
It is what a corona virus does. As it runs out of new customers either due to immunity or human interventions (like lockdowns) it mutates a bit. They are clever little buggers.
So our ego -driven Sage squad are keen to tell the world about our new discovery (3 months after they discovered it) and the idiot in chief Hancock can't wait to spread the bad news. So then France who are holding the rest of the EU to ransom over a trade deal have chosen this moment to flex their muscles. France gets what it wants out of the EU and always has. Why do you think there are two parliament buildings - one in Brussels and one in Strasbourg, simply because France insisted that they had one in France. It wastes €114m a year at the very least just moving staff between the two for one week very month. Just to appease the French ego.
And to top things off, Belgian senior MEP Verhofstadt tweeted yesterday :
"We forgot what borders look like.
Some thought they would remain open with or without the EU.
They will now start to understand what leaving the EU really means...."
It doesn't take much to confuse me..
But... ten days ago:
England had a 3 tier Covid alert table
Scotland had 5..that peaked at 4 (??)
And we were NOT shocked when Wales opted for 4 tiers
A week later weve got similar SIMILAR infections to April 2020
Wales has gone to their Highest level
I believe Scotland have too
England are off the chart..
Last Saturday my phone was telling me CANADA have got it bad.. levels have gone from Red to GREY in Niagara:Toronto region.. cases of 200 : 100,000..
Yes you read that correctly.. will their next colours have stripes..or spots?
Yes its nice to have a 'traffic light' easy read system..
But NOT when you have to move the Goalposts fortnightly
But... ten days ago:
England had a 3 tier Covid alert table
Scotland had 5..that peaked at 4 (??)
And we were NOT shocked when Wales opted for 4 tiers
A week later weve got similar SIMILAR infections to April 2020
Wales has gone to their Highest level
I believe Scotland have too
England are off the chart..
Last Saturday my phone was telling me CANADA have got it bad.. levels have gone from Red to GREY in Niagara:Toronto region.. cases of 200 : 100,000..
Yes you read that correctly.. will their next colours have stripes..or spots?
Yes its nice to have a 'traffic light' easy read system..
But NOT when you have to move the Goalposts fortnightly
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That is beacuse they insist on calling every positive test now a "case" whether it is a real positive, whether the person involved has no symptoms or some symptoms or severe symptoms.
