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The reason why the media have "moved on" from Covid is because they are (with a few honourable exceptions) the mouthpiece of our present government, which appears to have washed its hands of the pandemic.

(See also the unwillingness of the same media to attribute food shortages, price increases in building materials, etc, to Br*x*t)
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The reason why the media have "moved on" from Covid is because they are (with a few honourable exceptions) the mouthpiece of our present government, which appears to have washed its hands of the pandemic.
Whilst I don't disagree with your statement, I think you'll also find that a large majority of the public are starting to 'move on'. Let's face it, we can carry on whinging about Covid forever, but like HIV and flu it's never going to go away, so we're all going to have to just deal with it. And as I said before, that view will hurt, especially for those that have lost loved ones. I'm still raw almost a decade on after my own Father died of a terminal illness and of late only a few months back, my Mother. We're only in this frame of mind with Covid because it's still 'new'. Once everyone finally gets a grip on the fact that it isn't going away, we'll just get used to it like everything else.

I also don't think it helps with the way the death data is being reported. People have died of Covid whereby even though they had Covid, it clearly wasn't the overall reason why they'd died. No one is prepared to publish the figures because I suspect there would be a bit of a row about it, but there are apparently many folks who have passed away from Covid who quite obviously had serious underlying health issues or who were within hours, days or weeks of passing away with a terminal illness but Covid sadly ended their lives a little sooner. Hence Covid was recorded as the cause of death when in reality, it was actually just a contributing factor in an already terminal situation. So that current Covid death figure could in reality, be adjusted to reflect that. But hey, why give an actual real world picture of what's going on, when you can say so and so died of Covid when in fact they had severe coronary heart disease which had caused their stroke but they just happened to have Covid as well.


I'm no Covid denyer, it's very very real, but I choose to get on with my life as safely and in the best way I can without turning into a hermit or walking down the road in the blazing sunshine with no one around me still wearing a mask, which is what I see often and it makes me sigh if I'm honest.
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Well, we're all going to die of something, sometime. Who cares if some of us die before our time? Sheesh.

It amazes me how the appalling level of Covid-related deaths in the UK has apparently been normalised, such that many people seem not to turn a hair at another 140 deaths reported today - a level which, averaged out, would produce another 36,000 deaths over the next year, on top of the 132,000 (within 28 days) that we've already seen. The schools are about to go back with virtually no protective measures in place, and our government appears to have given up on exhorting the public to act safely. No other government - not even the freedom-loving U.S. - has washed its hands of responsibility for Covid like ours has. It's insane.

So, I can't understand why more people aren't hopping mad about the incompetence of our government in tackling the pandemic. People seem prepared just to shrug their shoulders and say, What's to be done? Life must go on.

But it doesn't have to be like this. This isn't normal, or inevitable, and we shouldn't meekly accept it as such.
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Well, we're all going to die of something, sometime. Who cares if some of us die before our time? Sheesh.
Yes, and sadly 60 plus people at least have just been blown up at Kabul airport.


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But it doesn't have to be like this. This isn't normal, or inevitable, and we shouldn't meekly accept it as such.
So, what are you doing about it?

Mankind is rapidly killing the entire planet through global warming. Admittedly it is trying to do something about it, but unless the US, China, India etc actually bother to curb their emissions problems, planet Earth is going to be a very hot and uncomfortable place to live. And don't forget, if the bees die, we all die. Nuff said.
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For a break from serious virus discussion , this annoys me beyond all reason .

Some moron in my area has done this multiple times , they paint , highways people remove and a few weeks later repeat over and over .

also seen on street furniture , bus stop and another local road .

Also "Covid lies" ...
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I agree Barchetta Bloke, the people who do that are complete morons. I saw that exact type of Covid denying sprayed all over fence panels along the M1 amongst other places. I genuinely don't know what people have running around in their heads when they do that. But some will argue, 'We're all different' and it's just people expressing their opinions, even if they are vandalising whilst doing so.
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[QUOTE=Barchetta Bloke 440;4605568]For a break from serious virus discussion , this annoys me beyond all reason .

Some moron in my area has done this multiple times , they paint , highways people remove and a few weeks later repeat over and over .

also seen on street furniture , bus stop and another local road .

Also "Covid lies"


Hope they get caught
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The death figures are given with a known set of parameters, this is done for ease of collation and comparative reasons.
Yes, some deaths may not actually be covid, but covid will have been a factor. The deaths where covid actually played no part are in the minority, less than 1 percent and so the figures do have some value.

I'm not sure it's wise to dismiss deaths on the basis of "they were dying anyway".

As for the anti covid graffiti, these people are going to paint something, this is just flavour of the month.
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Well, we're all going to die of something, sometime. Who cares if some of us die before our time? Sheesh.

It amazes me how the appalling level of Covid-related deaths in the UK has apparently been normalised, such that many people seem not to turn a hair at another 140 deaths reported today - a level which, averaged out, would produce another 36,000 deaths over the next year, on top of the 132,000 (within 28 days) that we've already seen. The schools are about to go back with virtually no protective measures in place, and our government appears to have given up on exhorting the public to act safely. No other government - not even the freedom-loving U.S. - has washed its hands of responsibility for Covid like ours has. It's insane.

So, I can't understand why more people aren't hopping mad about the incompetence of our government in tackling the pandemic. People seem prepared just to shrug their shoulders and say, What's to be done? Life must go on.

But it doesn't have to be like this. This isn't normal, or inevitable, and we shouldn't meekly accept it as such.
I can't see any proposed solutions in the above text. Do you have any proposals, or are you just criticising the decisions that have been made?

A large proportion of the public will not behave as directed, so it would be impossible for any government to control the population. What would you have them do?
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The death figures are given with a known set of parameters, this is done for ease of collation and comparative reasons.
Yes, some deaths may not actually be covid, but covid will have been a factor. The deaths where covid actually played no part are in the minority, less than 1 percent and so the figures do have some value.

I'm not sure it's wise to dismiss deaths on the basis of "they were dying anyway".

As for the anti covid graffiti, these people are going to paint something, this is just flavour of the month.
I heard this week that deaths due to Dementia are dramatically down on previous years. Can anybody explain that?
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I heard this week that deaths due to Dementia are dramatically down on previous years. Can anybody explain that?
My guess, Covid got to them first.
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So, I can't understand why more people aren't hopping mad about the incompetence of our government in tackling the pandemic. People seem prepared just to shrug their shoulders and say, What's to be done? Life must go on.
The current politicians have take the blatant disregard for responsibility to a whole new level. The whole avoiding a question qould be funny were it all not so serious.And the majority of the public re-inforce that to them by re-electing the buffoon back into number 10!!!
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The current politicians have take the blatant disregard for responsibility to a whole new level.
I'm not wishing to deliberately stoke the fire or unnecessarily wind people up, but perhaps the current politicians, who after all are just allegedly normal human beings like you and me, have cottoned on to the fact that undoubtedly a fairly large proportion of the population have quite simply had enough of the whole Covid thing?

I don't really know of many people who are talking about Covid as the armageddon that some espouse. People are just mentally tired of hearing about it day in, day out and they are adjusting their lives accordingly. I suspect most sensible people are actually taking precautions even if it's being done subconciously.

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And the majority of the public re-inforce that to them by re-electing the buffoon back into number 10!!!

I'm at a bit of loss how to answer that one really. At the end of the day, everyone of voting age has the right to vote how they want. Agreed there's this whole thing about proportional representation versus first past the post etc, but are we saying here that the electorate who might re-elect a particular politician with scruffy hair, are also buffoons? That would clearly mean there are an awful lot of 'buffoons' out their who may not share your political views.

Like it or lump it, Covid is here to stay, just another thing the human race has to deal with. I would humbly suggest though that curbing every persons freedoms to the point of making peoples lives a total misery, would eventually cause more damage and possibly deaths than Covid ever will.
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The reason why the media have "moved on" from Covid is because they are (with a few honourable exceptions) the mouthpiece of our present government, which appears to have washed its hands of the pandemic.

(See also the unwillingness of the same media to attribute food shortages, price increases in building materials, etc, to Br*x*t)
To try to be even-handed about this my experience is that the food shortages are partly due to a shortage of lorry drivers - yes partly due to brexit and an awful lot due to driver absence because they have been pinged by the ludicrous covid app.
Building materials have been hit for many reasons. For example because a cement producing plant was closed due to covid and doesn't seem to have recovered.
People sat at home furloughed and unable to go on holiday have embarked on home improvement projects in a big way.
Also building materials and many other commodities have been hit by astronomical shipping costs due to covid, and not just brexit.
The sudden closedowns have lead to a shortage of containers and containers in the wrong place. And containers stuffed full of useless PPE.
Brexit should never have happened, but I can understand why it did, and the terrible and late brexit deal illustrates the naivety of our politicians perfectly.
But to try to pin all the delays and shortages and price increases solely on brexit is wide of the mark.
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Picking up on a point above, I think a major problem is that a large number of people are now genuinely scared of Covid.

Don't get me wrong, I'm more than aware of how dangerous it can be, even to a young and healthy person..... however, I think we are approaching the point where a balance needs to be struck. We need to be careful, but at the same time, we need to live our lives.

I'm currently on holiday in Spain, and 90% of the population appear to be wearing masks..... everywhere. And this is where my point about fear comes in.

I've seen dozens of people walking down an empty street in 40 degree heat wearing their masks. We went to a restaurant with an outdoor terrace with plenty of space between tables. People were literally lowering their mask to take a bite of food, then raising it back over their nose and mouth while chewing!!

A friend of mine does.....I asked her why.....and her response is that even in an empty street she's scared of catching it. I explained to her the chances of catching it while walking alone are virtually zero.... but even so, she won't take her mask off until she gets inside her house.

I went on a walk into the mountains in central Spain.... people hiking wearing masks.

Of course, it's everyone's personal decision....I'll continue wearing a mask in shops etc and in crowded places, not because I'm personally worried about catching Covid (I had it in January last year before it "officially" was in UK, and I've had 4 doses of Vaccine (clinical trials), I've done everything I can, so I'm living my life, but out of respect for others, I'll wear a mask......but I can't help but feel a "fear" has been created, that will be very difficult to remove as time goes on.

I am quite sure that by this time next year, we'll be in a much better place. A friend of mine works for a pharmaceutical company in the UK, and he said they've developed a pill that basically stops Covid in its tracks....if you test positive, take a pill, job done. It's currently going through clinical trials....but I think with all the other pharma companies around the world working on the same thing, like the vaccine, almost miracles can be achieved in a short time.

However, even so I think many will struggle to get back to some sort of "normal". For example those who physically haven't left their homes for 18 months because they're so scared of catching Covid....I really think they'll struggle.

And this is where I feel the media is to blame. Every time there's mention of a new variant for example, it gets blown out of all proportion, plastered across the front pages as "Deadly Mutant Variant" etc, which causes genuine fear.

They fail to mention for example that there have already been HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of variants already, and as the "real" scientists will tell you, even after hundreds of thousands of changes, the vaccines still work etc.

Of course, that doesn't sell newspapers or make good news headlines.

And it's not just the UK.

Here in Spain almost daily the news is specifically reporting about how many fully vaccinated have died, especially if they're younger people.... almost deliberately trying to scare people....and how the countries ICU's are "buckling under the strain" (whereas reality is just 18% of all ICU beds have Covid patients).

The media also have a massive responsibility of how the pandemic has been and will continue to be dealt with. Unfortunately, I doubt they'll ever be held to account.
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