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Old 23-09-2013   #16
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Re: 1.4 engine in 500L

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Which is why they don't fit it in the MPW version, or whatever it's called.

Looked at an ad for a Vauxhall Omega yesterday, with the 2L Diesel. The stated - I know! - mpg is 76, with 0-60 in 10.5!! CO2 of 99!!!

Yes, I know! But that's a big car, and they want only c.20K for it!

Fiat's biggest challenge as I see it is to get their performance/consumption ratio improved.
Sorry to pee on your parade and all, but the 500XL has got the 1.4 engine in it; take a look at the online configurator.

If that's what you meant anyway!
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No, you're not peeing on my parade, as you put it, because I'm not on parade

But somebody wrote that the seven seater wasn't available with the 1.4, so I'm going by that. Such a low powered engine to lug about seven people and luggage would never be properly economical, or fast, so I'll stick to my basic premise that Fiat needs to work hard on the economy/performance equation.

I drove a petrol 1.6 Renault scenic once and that too was hampered by the lack of power, and the engine noise at speed, which was was awful, as was the consumption. Joining a motorway on an incline was positively dangerous so slow was the car.

I can see that if somebody only ever wanted to pootle about the countryside at forty and wasn't interested in driving, the small engine might just do, but in the cut and thrust of everyday suburban and distance motoring having to thrash the engine just to barely keep up isn't good enough.
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Re: 1.4 engine in 500L

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No, you're not peeing on my parade, as you put it, because I'm not on parade

But somebody wrote that the seven seater wasn't available with the 1.4, so I'm going by that. Such a low powered engine to lug about seven people and luggage would never be properly economical, or fast, so I'll stick to my basic premise that Fiat needs to work hard on the economy/performance equation.

I drove a petrol 1.6 Renault scenic once and that too was hampered by the lack of power, and the engine noise at speed, which was was awful, as was the consumption. Joining a motorway on an incline was positively dangerous so slow was the car.

I can see that if somebody only ever wanted to pootle about the countryside at forty and wasn't interested in driving, the small engine might just do, but in the cut and thrust of everyday suburban and distance motoring having to thrash the engine just to barely keep up isn't good enough.
Haha! No you're quite right, you're not on parade are you!

Well I am only going by what the configurator says. To be honest, it's often wrong with many things, but I would be surprised if they were offering an engine that simply isn't for sale in a particular model.

Anyway, going back to ahmett's point about the 1.4 500L feeling pedestrian compared to his 1.4 500. Whilst I don't doubt that for one second, I think it's a bit unfair to compare his car with the 1.4 engine in the 500L.

A fairer comparison IMO would be with the 1.2 in the 500 as it is the entry level engine - as MJG says above, it does seem to be alright in that respect. But of course the trade off is poorer fuel economy and higher emissions/tax band...swings and roundabouts eh!
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A fairer comparison IMO would be with the 1.2 in the 500 as it is the entry level engine - as MJG says above, it does seem to be alright in that respect. But of course the trade off is poorer fuel economy and higher emissions/tax band...swings and roundabouts eh!
This in my view is a much fairer comparison.

We have just completed a 900 mile trip to Cornwall and back with 4 adults (no lightweights) 1 Jack Russell and all the associated paraphernalia that four adults going on holiday need.

The 500L never at any point felt pedestrian. Yes we had to drop from 6th to 5th on a few long motorway gradients to maintain speed but given most cars don't have a 6th gear anyway this was academic. We managed to keep up with the prevailing speeds at all times and only the idiots wanting to go stupidly fast and well over the limit passed us - I don't think you can ask for more than that.

A very rough mpg I worked out was around 48 mpg - which whilst not brilliant is not outrageously bad either, for such a big car with a relatively small petrol engine.

But yes the road fund licence is a lot more for a 1.4 500L than it is for a 1.2 500. Interestingly though the insurance premium was almost identical in our case, when I expected that to be a bit more too.
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