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Re: Air Conditioning Condenser Fault

Yes he did:

when its cold enough the compressor stops then doesnt restart again.
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Interesting - I have a Panda 100HP with climate control (standard fitting) - it's done 39,000 miles in just under four years with the aircon on all the time. I'll have a look for the a/c condenser later to see how vulnerable it is.
ac on all the time in the uk?? When i was there i was more worried about my heater working in good order = )
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ac on all the time in the uk?? When i was there i was more worried about my heater working in good order = )
Cooling the car when in Italy, demisting the car in the rain in UK. The climate control cuts in and out all the time except under extremely hot conditions and the fuel consumption doesn't seem to suffer (I did turn the a/c off for a week or so to test this) so I just leave it on 20.5 degrees normally or 19.5 when the sun's shining, as the thermostat obviously doesn't pick up the fact that the sun's heating you up. I wonder if the 500's problem (if it is a problem) is with the thermostat/temp sensor rather than the aircon itself.
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Cooling the car when in Italy, demisting the car in the rain in UK. The climate control cuts in and out all the time except under extremely hot conditions and the fuel consumption doesn't seem to suffer (I did turn the a/c off for a week or so to test this) so I just leave it on 20.5 degrees normally or 19.5 when the sun's shining, as the thermostat obviously doesn't pick up the fact that the sun's heating you up. I wonder if the 500's problem (if it is a problem) is with the thermostat/temp sensor rather than the aircon itself.
I have the manual ac so i decide when to turn on the compressor or not.
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I've had my A/C for 90,000 miles and it is on most of the time. It cools in the summer, especially in this mugginess, and it dehumidifies in the winter.

It is the one convenience I wouldn't do without.

I do know that drivers who only use their A/Cs occasionally have the most problems, because the seals dry out and the system loses gas, which contains the lubricant. I have a Doblo of course, but the pipes are still exposed to all the crap on the roads, and I drive in all weathers. A/Cs shouldn't go wrong so make sure you get them to fix it, whatever it takes.

Sometimes the radiators spring a leak of course.
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I've had my A/C for 90,000 miles and it is on most of the time. It cools in the summer, especially in this mugginess, and it dehumidifies in the winter.

It is the one convenience I wouldn't do without.

I do know that drivers who only use their A/Cs occasionally have the most problems, because the seals dry out and the system loses gas, which contains the lubricant. I have a Doblo of course, but the pipes are still exposed to all the crap on the roads, and I drive in all weathers. A/Cs shouldn't go wrong so make sure you get them to fix it, whatever it takes.

Sometimes the radiators spring a leak of course.
If it's actually making the car cool then it would suggest that there is no issue with the condenser. Sounds more likely that there's something wrong with the internal temp sensor in the cabin or whatever it is that actually controls the system.
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If it's actually making the car cool then it would suggest that there is no issue with the condenser. Sounds more likely that there's something wrong with the internal temp sensor in the cabin or whatever it is that actually controls the system.
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I've had my A/C for 90,000 miles and it is on most of the time. It cools in the summer, especially in this mugginess, and it dehumidifies in the winter.

It is the one convenience I wouldn't do without.

I do know that drivers who only use their A/Cs occasionally have the most problems, because the seals dry out and the system loses gas, which contains the lubricant. I have a Doblo of course, but the pipes are still exposed to all the crap on the roads, and I drive in all weathers. A/Cs shouldn't go wrong so make sure you get them to fix it, whatever it takes.

Sometimes the radiators spring a leak of course.
Really? i just use it if it is too hot. Otherwise i use the fan.
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It's nearly always too hot without the A/C. I prefer to be cool in the car, and sometimes I just leave it on and turn up the heat if it is too cool
With a Diesel the cutting in and out is imperceptible and it makes practically no difference to the fuel consumption.

I wonder if the OP had a split condenser, but the later bloke sounds like he has a switching or thermostat problem.
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Re: Air Conditioning Condenser Fault

If anyone is familiar with the UAE its like 9 months of hot then 3 months of "cool" 15-20 degrees Celsius. So the Aircon is working almost 24/7. Plus the car is so rare here i couldnt find someone on the road to ask about his/her AC problems. And my car has only done 30K km

I have the manual control panel, so its ALWAYS on the furthest blue dot (coldest possible) so the internal temp sensor wouldn't be an option.

Maybe i should contact fiat directly because here we only work with dealers
Any other suggestions or contact info for Fiat anyone can provide??
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I lived in Oman for nine years in the seventies and eighties, so I know why you need good A/C!

You mentioned the warranty and stated that you have had the car less than two years. Isn't it still guaranteed then? if so write a polite letter to the dealer explaining what he has done and requesting that he completes the repair. If he refuses email a copy of the letter to Fiat and see what they have to say.

Failing all that there must be specialsts about who could sort out any problem, or at least determine what the problem is - no?

It really shouldn't be that difficult to fix an A/C. Is there another dealer within striking distance - Muscat maybe?
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I lived in Oman for nine years in the seventies and eighties, so I know why you need good A/C!

You mentioned the warranty and stated that you have had the car less than two years. Isn't it still guaranteed then? if so write a polite letter to the dealer explaining what he has done and requesting that he completes the repair. If he refuses email a copy of the letter to Fiat and see what they have to say.

Failing all that there must be specialsts about who could sort out any problem, or at least determine what the problem is - no?

It really shouldn't be that difficult to fix an A/C. Is there another dealer within striking distance - Muscat maybe?
There is another dealer in Dubai around 160kms away i might go there as a last resort but am not ready to pay for the A\C to get fixed in another dealer if the car is still in warranty. You might be familiar with the mental charges they ask for here!! $1000 for the rear bumper without the parking sensors
I might ask them to give it a check which will cost me around $200!! and then take the report to my dealer...

Do u have any idea about how i can contact fiat directly?
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Google up Fiat head office in Turin.

If there is no English version you might go to the Italian Embassy and ask somebody for help with an email or letter exchange?

However, Fiat sells in many Arabic speaking countries so they must have people who can manage correspondence in Arabic.

I can well see that you don't want to spend any money on a guaranteed car. Make sure you get every exchange in writing so you build up a dossier of your problem's history.

And tell your dealer what you intend to do, that might encourage him to try harder. This is the first thing I would do: and try to remain calm and collected at all times, it helps.
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Google up Fiat head office in Turin.

If there is no English version you might go to the Italian Embassy and ask somebody for help with an email or letter exchange?

However, Fiat sells in many Arabic speaking countries so they must have people who can manage correspondence in Arabic.

I can well see that you don't want to spend any money on a guaranteed car. Make sure you get every exchange in writing so you build up a dossier of your problem's history.

And tell your dealer what you intend to do, that might encourage him to try harder. This is the first thing I would do: and try to remain calm and collected at all times, it helps.
Thank you for the guidelines i was really not planning to be calm but ill try this time, and i will let you know!!
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I thing I don't understand: You pay a lot of money for a car in which you spend considerable amount of time and people are stinting on extra pennies that air con uses to keep them nice and confortable? Go figure!
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