Technical X244 cruise control retrofit 2.8JTD 2005-factory parts?

[Communicator]

I think that I have previously warned that cutting the slot in the lower column shroud is one of the more difficult operations. It requires extreme care when making a template, and marking out. I found it difficult to hold the shroud when cutting the slot.

Fitting is improved, if about 12mm is trimmed from the lower edge of the direction indicator stalk.

 

[varesecrazy]

I am very pleased by your success.

For the benefit of others, the white/violet wire carries the cruise "ON" signal to the ECU.

Again for general interest, I am attaching a translation of a much earlier post on the Italian camperonline forum, and for any unfortunate soul trying to carry out this modification on a vehicle which is not pre-wired, a pinout diagram for the Bosch ECU.

Excellent info for Kezzza

 

[Communicator]

I think that I have previously warned that cutting the slot in the lower column shroud is one of the more difficult operations. It requires extreme care when making a template, and marking out. I found it difficult to hold the shroud when cutting the slot.

Fitting is improved, if about 12mm is trimmed from the lower edge of the direction indicator stalk.

Sorry folks,

I seem to have missed the last two words from my previous post.

It should read "........stalk rubber muff."

 

[Kezzza]

Excellent info for Kezzza

Thank you varesecrazy. Very interesting and helpful

 

[varesecrazy]

Sorry folks,

I seem to have missed the last two words from my previous post.

It should read "........stalk rubber muff."

I figured that out

 

[Kezzza]

Hi Varesecrazy, does this x244 retrofit work with my x250

Thanks

 

[Communicator]

Hi Varesecrazy, does this x244 retrofit work with my x250

Thanks

I think that would be a difficult question to answer, unless you have detailed knowledge of the x250 engine ecu.

In the x244, the cruise control function is held in the engine ecu. The x250 engines are multijet, and require a different ecu. Implementation could be elsewhere.


As a first step I suggest buying a "Workshop Manual" CD (eLearn) for the x250, which are available on eBay for under £4.

Not much at stake there, and the info contained could be of more general use. Alternatively you could try the downloads section of this forum, but some users have reported errors when attempting to download.

With eLearn available, follow the links, electrical - engine control - cruise control (E5060?). You can then read the text and study the diagram.

In particular how does the cruise control stalk communicate with the ecu?

If the answer is by direct wired connection, then your proposed modification may be possible.

 

[Reg 65]

When you get your cruise control where are you going to use it?
I never use mine because the roads are always so congested I have to vary my speed according to the traffic.
But I can see it would have been useful on EU motorways where traffic density is far less than in Britain.

 

[varesecrazy]

When you get your cruise control where are you going to use it?
I never use mine because the roads are always so congested I have to vary my speed according to the traffic.
But I can see it would have been useful on EU motorways where traffic density is far less than in Britain.

Its called CRUISE for a reason..

Set it at 56 and you can trundle along with all the other 'commercials'

My Cruise equipped car is 875cc.. and the Cruise sees a LOT of use

I use the stalk like a 'hand throttle'
On what is supposedly the UKs 2nd busiest part of the Motorway network

 

[Kezzza]

Thanks a lot Varesecrazy. Think I’ll look into a precision model. Thanks

 

[akyttala]

If someone wonders (I did) if this is possible for Peugeot Boxer 244, I can tell now, it is possible.

At least for version with 2.2 HDi engine, LHD, year 2006. I bought 2006 Stilo's cruise stalk from crapyard, same as Alfa 147 stalk. I found The black connector near left fusebox and it had needed wires. I also found connector D160 and connected pins 1 and 6 together and then wired it to yellow wire of stalk.
New pins for black connector and D160 found from male and female connector like this https://www.auto-ricambi.eu/waterproof-5-pin-connector-cover-5-sockets-rubber-bands-p17811/ . They were direct fit. Also pins inside stalk connector are same, so I removed white casing and stuck pins inside 5-pin waterproof connector, so I managed to to really neat connections. New brake light switch I had to buy also, as old had only two pins.
Only hard thing to do was hole to cover under steering wheel. I managed to **** up it quite good and it looks very bad. Maybe I need to buy another cover and try again.

But now it works and even the led on dash lights up. It didn't light up at first try, but after I turned power off and again on with cruise on, the light came alive.

Thanks for everyone, who has written guides, tips and schematics here!

 

[Ocwobio]

If someone wonders (I did) if this is possible for Peugeot Boxer 244, I can tell now, it is possible.

At least for version with 2.2 HDi engine, LHD, year 2006. I bought 2006 Stilo's cruise stalk from crapyard, same as Alfa 147 stalk. I found The black connector near left fusebox and it had needed wires. I also found connector D160 and connected pins 1 and 6 together and then wired it to yellow wire of stalk.
New pins for black connector and D160 found from male and female connector like this https://www.auto-ricambi.eu/waterproof-5-pin-connector-cover-5-sockets-rubber-bands-p17811/ . They were direct fit. Also pins inside stalk connector are same, so I removed white casing and stuck pins inside 5-pin waterproof connector, so I managed to to really neat connections. New brake light switch I had to buy also, as old had only two pins.
Only hard thing to do was hole to cover under steering wheel. I managed to **** up it quite good and it looks very bad. Maybe I need to buy another cover and try again.

But now it works and even the led on dash lights up. It didn't light up at first try, but after I turned power off and again on with cruise on, the light came alive.

Thanks for everyone, who has written guides, tips and schematics here!

Interesting to know the Hdi can take this modification, I'm sure many have wondered. Thank you for posting!

 

[Pug607]

google alfa 147 cruise ducato . Look for camperonline.it, there is a thread 18 pages long and includes wiring diagrams. I followed it and it worked on my 2004 ducato

Couldn't find it

 

[Communicator]

Couldn't find it

Welcome to the forum Pug607. Do you really need the original thread from Camperonline?

If wishing to carry out this modification, first obtain an Alfa 147 cruise control squib, and locate connector D018B behind the LH cab fuseboard. This is a 6 pole connector with the two centre pins being larger at 2.8mm. They are used by aircon with one red power wire and a smaller control wire. The outer 4 ways will be only be connected on the female part. The connector is coloued black and yellow, so quite distinctive. The outer 4 ways need to be extended to the steering column. I used 0.5mm wires coloured to match the main colour of the wires already connected to D018B. the wires were pulled into 6mm PVC sleeving and routed behind the radio. A 12V supply is required, in order to match diagrams, and fuse designations this should come from F27. See post #111. I eventually found connector D160A hidden under the instrument binnacle. A fiddly cross connection pins 1 to 6, and an extension from pin 6 was achieved. Others take an alternative and use fuse F28, by adding a loop at the brake pedal switch.
You will also most probably need to change the brake pedal switch to a two contact version. The original switch may have 4 wires, but 2 will probably conect to nothing.

I have attached my modified version of eLearn diagram E5060. My apologies for it being inverted. The new wiring is in the lower LHS corner, between D160A, and D018B. I used a 6 way 2.8mm blade connector to connect to the Alfa 147 squib tail wires.

Perhaps the most difficult task was cutting the slot in the steering column shroud, as it is not something that you can put in a vice.

 

[Masterdiagnostik]

Hello everyone! I connected cruise control to a Fiat 244 2004 2.8, my car has an automatic transmission, cruise control does not work, status "reason clutch pressed" it only works when the torque converter is locked.
works only at speeds above 80-90 km h.
I can't find such a car with an automatic transmission and cruise control.
help - how to solve the problem.
maybe you need a different firmware for the engine or transmission ECU.
thank you all.

 

[Pug607]

Which wire lights the alfa stalk led up. I have green dash light etc, but stalk not lit up. And is there any spedo menu ??

 

[Communicator]

Which wire lights the alfa stalk led up. I have green dash light etc, but stalk not lit up. And is there any spedo menu ??

No LED in Alfa Squib, why would you need one? Also no speedo menu, this is a 25 year old system. It works.

 

[Pug607]

No LED in Alfa Squib, why would you need one? Also no speedo menu, this is a 25 year old system. It works.

There is a led on squib, just a visual aid.i thought 1 of the wires would power it.
As the speed id like to set it at say 30 without trying to go up/down on stalk. I thought maybe this part was built in to the clocks.

I have green light on dash,switches on/off with stalk but I've never tested the cruise yet. I ALSO haven't looked or changed the brake switch. Just connected to the 4 cables on it. Is it possible i have 4 pin switch? Or does it have to be changed.

 

[Communicator]

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There is a led on squib, just a visual aid.i thought 1 of the wires would power it.
As the speed id like to set it at say 30 without trying to go up/down on stalk. I thought maybe this part was built in to the clocks.

I have green light on dash,switches on/off with stalk but I've never tested the cruise yet. I ALSO haven't looked or changed the brake switch. Just connected to the 4 cables on it. Is it possible i have 4 pin switch? Or does it have to be changed.

There has been no previous mention of an LED on an Alfa 147 cruise squib, neither am I aware of one on my own vehicle, I am certein that I would have noticed one on my vehicle if it existed. Perhaps your squib is a deluxe or similar version. The standard Alfa 147 squib is very tactile, and hence easy to use.
My Alfa 147 squib has a resume button on the end, followed by a +/- ring, and then an on/off ring closest to the column. No LED. The squib has five wires. 12V supply = yellow, resume button = green, on = orange, blue = lower, and red = raise. Do you have an extra wire?

If the cruise light on the dash illuminates, it is possible that you have the two way (4 pin) switch, as it is my understanding that the ECU requires to see 12V via the pedal switch before allowing the cruise function. My original single pole switch was part black, and part white, so quite distinctive.

At the first opportunity, prove that pressing the brake pedal disengages the cruise function, as this is asafety function.

If you do have the correct switch, then consider yourself lucky. Several of us have found changing the switch on RHD vehicles very difficult. You should be able to change the brake pedal switch without severe problems, but this was not what we found.

 

[Ocwobio]

There is a led on squib, just a visual aid.i thought 1 of the wires would power it.
As the speed id like to set it at say 30 without trying to go up/down on stalk. I thought maybe this part was built in to the clocks.

I have green light on dash,switches on/off with stalk but I've never tested the cruise yet. I ALSO haven't looked or changed the brake switch. Just connected to the 4 cables on it. Is it possible i have 4 pin switch? Or does it have to be changed.

If you can post some pics of the stalk, and the LED on the panel. it may help us to help you better. Same for the brake light switch- if you can, it's a task to do so I admit! Does it have 5 wires to it, or is it different? AFAIK there was never a way to use a predefined speed value on these, it all being selected by the +/- ring on the stalk. I think maybe you were hoping to access a 'speed limiter' function as some vehicles have? There isn't one, sorry. Do go and try the control out, bear in mind there is a lower limit on it's use, which I forget, (but 45 km/h rings a bell) so it will be no good in traffic that is not flowing too well. 40 mph or over should be fine. Find a nice, fairly quiet A road if you can. Drive normally up to the desired speed, turn the cruise on, then a short twist of the outer ring in the + direction will set it at whatever is currently the indicated speed. If you have MES and a laptop (Windows), you could use that, it will indicate the various functions as you select them, in the correct menu display. I think even the free demo version will do so?