General Would you swap?

Currently reading:
General Would you swap?

Turns out they lost about 900 cars in total and obviously all equipment and computers. Must be a nightmare. The salesman rang my wife almost in tears. To be fair to them they have tried to swap it and they can't help it the flood. They said they'd `look` after us when they get sorted.

I know I'm not involved, but on behalf of all that's rational and sensible, thanks for being so understanding of your dealers predicament.
 
I was annoyed last night that they just didn't ring and ask me to pick it up before they shut but no one could of predicted last night. About 9 feet higher than normal. Feel sorry for them so much. They'll lose their income for such a long time just near Christmas. Poor sods.
 
My argument was there is no reason for insurance to be invalid in cars with a removed dpf as it is a green issue not a safety issue.

One doesn't simply remove the DPF though, DPF removal is an exhaust modification, and required a ECU remap, which again is a modification from original specification. This is why UK insurance policies can be invalidated, as it often results in more power.
 
Now that diesels are coming in Hybrid and Stop Start models, does anyone know how they've made the DPF's cope?
 
Judging by much of the stuff I've read lately, I have a sneaky suspicion that diesel cars per say, are going to be snubbed more and more. Many people are now fully aware of the issues surrounding the use of diesel cars on short trips or city driving only and the fact that often a regen just won't happen enough. That with diesel being dumped in the sump which could culminate in an over revving engine. Unless you are doing proper serious mileage and/or live near a motorway where you can give the car a proper blast, small cars with diesel engines being used solely for the daily shopping trip into town are probably not a great idea. Small modern engined petrol model vehicles are likely more economical without the hassles of DPF/EGR's.

The big thing at the moment is what comes in February 2014, with diesel cars in the UK being checked for the presence of a DPF if it was fitted at build by the manufacturer. There are going to be a lot of diesel car owners out there facing very large bills for re-installation of the DPF, unless of course they can find an MOT tester who is shortsighted.
 
The big thing at the moment is what comes in February 2014, with diesel cars in the UK being checked for the presence of a DPF if it was fitted at build by the manufacturer. There are going to be a lot of diesel car owners out there facing very large bills for re-installation of the DPF, unless of course they can find an MOT tester who is shortsighted.

I just hope the check is sufficiently thorough to pick up on those cars which have had the guts of the DPF removed & the casing left intact. Bearing in mind that the tester isn't permitted to dismantle anything, I suspect the cowboys may still be able to pull a fast one if there isn't a new and more stringent emissions test for diesel vehicles.

What really matters is how much c**p the car is spewing out of the tailpipe & a visual check for the presence of a DPF isn't enough to properly assess that.
 
Tbh a dpf car shouldn't really chuck out much smoke so it should be easy to spot the cars missing dpf's

That's true.

However, if all the external components are in place & the car passes the smoke test, will the tester be able to issue a fail just on a subjective assessment of excessive smoke?

I doubt it. Lots of dubious cars get passed now because the tester can't find a valid fault to log against the defect.

Let's wait and see what the revised MOT testers manual has to say.
 
I just hope the check is sufficiently thorough to pick up on those cars which have had the guts of the DPF removed & the casing left intact. Bearing in mind that the tester isn't permitted to dismantle anything, I suspect the cowboys may still be able to pull a fast one if there isn't a new and more stringent emissions test for diesel vehicles.

What really matters is how much c**p the car is spewing out of the tailpipe & a visual check for the presence of a DPF isn't enough to properly assess that.

I think people will either not be aware or forget that VOSA will undoubtedly have plans in place to very carefully monitor MOT testing stations and those that carry out MOT tests for the first few months when the revised MOT regulations come into force in February. They will probably drop test quite a number of testing stations. The consequences for MOT testing stations that aren't complying with the testing regulations will be severe.

As for those diesel vehicles that are fitted with DPF's but have had the guts removed, a quick tap with a hammer will reveal whether they are empty or not. I can assure you, there is a distinct difference in the sound of an empty DPF can, than one with the innards intact! I suspect too that VOSA will be looking at a test to determine the correct operation of a DPF which could involve the OBDII port diagnostically. Whatever, as long as they do sweep up all the people that have wasted their money paying for DPF removal, then they will have done their job, but I fear too it will take several years. I do find it strange though that there are still companies out there offering DPF removal. They must know that it is illegal and they really should be prosecuted for both taking punters money as well as offering an illegal service.
 
SS only kicks in when criteria's are met, so just won't switch the engine off during a regen I'd have though.

Understood, but I'm wondering if only courier drivers will do enough miles to keep both the DPF and SS happy. It seems that people who get away with diesels now might have problems with SS versions. Essentially, they're two conflicting technologies.
 
Last edited:
Understood, but I'm wondering if only courier drivers will do enough miles to keep both the DPF and SS happy. It seems that people who get away with diesels now might have problems with SS versions. Essentially, they're two conflicting technologies.

True, but it should be a relatively simple software issue to inhibit S/S operation when the car is regenerating.

What I'm wondering is what happens to all the c**p in the DPF during regeneration. Does it get pushed out into the atmosphere of whatever place the car happens to be in at the time?
 
True, but it should be a relatively simple software issue to inhibit S/S operation when the car is regenerating.

What I'm wondering is what happens to all the c**p in the DPF during regeneration. Does it get pushed out into the atmosphere of whatever place the car happens to be in at the time?

That is the question I ask myself. Surely it is just spewing out all the crap that it has been saving up over the previous journeys. I own a diesel Mokka and during a regeneration it absolutely stinks.
 
True, but it should be a relatively simple software issue to inhibit S/S operation when the car is regenerating.

What I'm wondering is what happens to all the c**p in the DPF during regeneration. Does it get pushed out into the atmosphere of whatever place the car happens to be in at the time?

My point is a DPF will clog up even quicker on city journeys with S/S.

I guess the idea is to reduce city polution and move it to highways where it's less of a problem. Diesels suck. I was looking at a new Econetic Transit, but I think I'll stick to my petrol van instead.
 
I think in reality ss technology is only there so that manufacturers can meet eu targets in real life I can't see it ever saving much money and then only if you live Ina very urbanised area of a big city. The extra strain on parts plus the expensive upgraded components will surely lead to more cost and pollution overall in the long run. Plus I suspect most folk with ss switch it off anyway or learn how to drive to override it.
 
As for those diesel vehicles that are fitted with DPF's but have had the guts removed, a quick tap with a hammer will reveal whether they are empty or not. I can assure you, there is a distinct difference in the sound of an empty DPF can, than one with the innards intact!

Quite possibly, but considering DPF's have mass warnings about not being dropped, or knocked I'd be going ape **** at any MOT tester which goes anywhere near my DPF, which is still fully functioning, with a hammer.

Understood, but I'm wondering if only courier drivers will do enough miles to keep both the DPF and SS happy. It seems that people who get away with diesels now might have problems with SS versions. Essentially, they're two conflicting technologies.

I wouldn't say two conflicting technologies, as as I've mentioned before SS just won't kick in when a regen is happening. The issue will occur with those drivers actively turning off the engine mid cycle purposefully.

What I'm wondering is what happens to all the c**p in the DPF during regeneration. Does it get pushed out into the atmosphere of whatever place the car happens to be in at the time?

No, it get burnt off, any soot left behind stays in the DPF so I understand, so eventually the DPF may need physical cleaning also.

My point is a DPF will clog up even quicker on city journeys with S/S.

Why :confused:
 
Back
Top