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Would you eat while sitting on the toilet?

most 20 quids have traces of cocain
yes, and also snot on the same percentage. blood is very common, and on the programme i watched they found semen on 10% of £10 notes.

a huge spreader of hepatitis A is bank notes. people put them in their mouth or dont wash hands after handling money. people are dumb.
 
As far as I see it, I'm strengthening my immune system ;)

its proven that people who excessivly clean (disinfect everything) are much likely to catch colds and flu more then "normal" people. one of my mates mums have an issue like that and he is one of them very "sicky" people.

Both the above are very true. The body only develops immunity by being exposed to some viruses and bacteria - this is the basic principle behind how vaccinations work. If the body is not exposed then it can't develop antibodies to respond for when it does become infected. This explains why if you visit some countries and drink the water you will get very sick whereas the locals don't get affected. They have developed anti-bodies to the pathogens in the water but you haven't. Excessive use of anti-biotics have also been suspected as being the cause of rising allergies in young children and also the spread of MRSA in general.

The human body is covered in bacteria. Some good and some bad. Often the good bacteria keep the bad bacteria in check. However, some anti-biotics only kill the good bacteria, which then means the bad bacteria are free to reproduce and spread much more quickly. This has been a suspected cause for the rise in MRSA cases along with people not washing their hands often and/ or properly.

Unless a sterile environment is needed in the medical world, such as during surgery or when any kind of invasive procedure is required, plain washing with soap and warm water is the order of the day. Alcohol gels can be used but correct hand washing/ cleaning of non sterile equipment has been proven to be as effective as any other means.

In other words, unless you are exposed to bacteria your immune system won't develop. You need to be exposed to some, especially during childhood, to give your body a chance to develop a defence against common viruses.

I like to mark notes and see if they ever get back to me:p

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In other words, unless you are exposed to bacteria your immune system won't develop. You need to be exposed to some, especially during childhood, to give your body a chance to develop a defence against common viruses.
yes that is true, but i bet you still clean your chopping board after using it. if exposure only helped then you wouldnt bother cleaning your chopping board, or even washing your hands.
you cant build up a resistance to everything.

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Both the above are very true.
no, the clean freak myth is just a myth. you are no more or less likely to catch a cold regardless of how much or how often you clean your home.

immunity to picornaviruses is not related to the cleanliness of your home. immunity to any single strain of any single picornavirus is only dictated by one thing, previous infection. that is why you cant gain complete immunity to any picornavirus even if you've been infected, you are only immune to that strain.

cleaning your house has no effect on any of this, however it can reduce your exposure to initial infection so you cant affect immunity but you can reduce exposure. similarly wearing breathing apparatus in public places reduces your exposure. even avoiding public places reduces your exposure. these methods do work, not as well an immunisation but they do give you a better chance of avoiding a cold.

living in a dirty house doesn't help. exposure to the bacteria in your house wont protect you from a picornavirus. this is just a myth.

clean freaks are far less likely to catch a bacterial infection.
 
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yes that is true, but i bet you still clean your chopping board after using it. if exposure only helped then you wouldnt bother cleaning your chopping board, or even washing your hands.
you cant build up a resistance to everything.

I agree Jug. That's why I said we need to be exposed to some viruses as exposure to all will likely kill us, whereas exposure to none will not allow our immune system to develop any immunities. Also see where I said "unless a sterile environment is needed, such as when an invasive procedure is required". In the medical world anything INSIDE the body, i.e. underneath the skin, is declared as sterile. Therefore taking food into the mouth and then swallowing it is bringing foreign objects within the sterile environment of the body. The stomach contains hydrochloric acid (HCl) that aims to kill any invasive pathogens but it is not perfect. The mouth, throat and oesophagus also have the potential to allow bacteria and viruses to enter the blood stream via small cuts/ abrasions or through the membranes themselves. Thus it is vitally important to wash a chopping board before and after use and to not stick dirty hands in your mouth!

no, the clean freak myth is just a myth. you are no more or less likely to catch a cold regardless of how much or how often you clean your home.

immunity to picornaviruses is not related to the cleanliness of your home. immunity to any single strain of any single picornavirus is only dictated by one thing, previous infection. that is why you cant gain complete immunity to any picornavirus even if you've been infected, you are only immune to that strain.

cleaning your house has no effect on any of this, however it can reduce your exposure to initial infection so you cant affect immunity but you can reduce exposure. similarly wearing breathing apparatus in public places reduces your exposure. even avoiding public places reduces your exposure. these methods do work, not as well an immunisation but they do give you a better chance of avoiding a cold.

living in a dirty house doesn't help. exposure to the bacteria in your house wont protect you from a picornavirus. this is just a myth.

clean freaks are far less likely to catch a bacterial infection.

Again, I agree with you and I was too general in agreeing with Helz and Craigb244. Excessive use of anti-biotic type soaps and cleaning equipment in the home does have a link to allergies and also MRSA for the reasons I mentioned earlier. Excessive use of anti-biotics in general are the cause of many resistant strains of bacteria today. You kill the good bacteria and you allow the bad bacteria to have more chance to spread. Correct handwashing and house cleaning will remove bacteria but not necessarily kill them, and flushing them down the drain removes them from where they can affect/ infect people. Unless you go sticking your hands in drains of course!

And though exposure to general viruses won't necessarily protect you from the common cold/ flu (these viruses mutate which is why we can never fully be immunised from them), there are crossover viruses so you may be partially immune to a new virus if you had exposure to a similar previous virus. You will still become infected but your body should be able to deal with it quicker.

There is no excuse for not keeping your home clean though, again I agree with that! The best way to deal with viruses is to be fit enough to cope with them and to eat healthily so that the immune system has the energy, vitamins and minerals needed to develop and act quickly. And effective handwashing will also help reduce the spread of many infections, something many people fail to do (especially vistors to hospital wards - grrrr :mad:).
 
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i think it is careless that NHS GP's prescribe antibiotics for almost anything, even tooth ache or period pain (WHY?!)
inappropriate use is leading to increased resistance.

an even bigger factor is misuse by patients. no matter what you tell someone, as soon as they are feeling better they stop taking medication. that is what causes resistance. half dead but not yet beaten infections lead to resistant strains. people should take the full course or not bother starting it.

i dont bother taking anything unless i really really need it. antibiotics should be saved for serious infections imo. used carefully they will last for many generations. used carelessly we'll be in trouble soon.
 
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i think it is careless that NHS GP's prescribe antibiotics for almost anything, even tooth ache or period pain (WHY?!)
inappropriate use is leading to increased resistance.

Absolutely. Antibiotics have no effect on viruses, such as colds and flu, yet many people are convinced they should be prescribed to them.

an even bigger factor is misuse by patients. no matter what you tell someone, as soon as they are feeling better they stop taking medication. that is what causes resistance. half dead but not yet beaten infections lead to resistant strains. people should take the full course or not bother starting it.

100% correct. Not taking the full course or prescribed anti-biotics causes scenarios like with excessive use of anti-bacterial soaps/ cleaning agents. You kill the good bacteria that keep the bad bacteria in check allowing the bad bacteria to then spread and evolve (developing a resistance). That's why symptoms are relieved within a few days when taking anti-biotics for an infection, but stopping before the course has finished can cause the infection to return and in a more vicious form.

i dont bother taking anything unless i really really need it. antibiotics should be saved for serious infections imo. used carefully they will last for many generations. used carelessly we'll be in trouble soon.

Wise words indeed. And look at the story "War of the Worlds". What was it that destroyed the invading aliens that mankind was unable to defend against? One of the smallest known living things in the world - a virus. And it probably will be a virus that will bring the human race to its knees one day too, as it has already done in the past. Just look at the black plague and malaria.

So I'm now going to continue suffering with my man flu (I'm off work today :() with nothing more than paracetamol based Lemsips and cough sweets.
 
i dont bother taking anything unless i really really need it. antibiotics should be saved for serious infections imo. used carefully they will last for many generations. used carelessly we'll be in trouble soon.

Ditto! I never take anything unless i NEED it. even paracetamol... my sisters go thru this stuff like food!
I had a weird ear infection( i think) a month or so back and it got really bad. I hate going doctors so I raided the house for pills and doing some antibiotics. took one a day for 3 days and it started to feel a little better. I then stopped and it had gone within the week :slayer:
 
Well, my cars get cleaned much more frequently than my house - several times a year. After all, other people are more likely to catch a glimpse of your car. I never spill food or drink, I take off my shoes if they're dirty, and I avoid putting anything in the boot without a drop-sheet. Interior fabrics get wet-vacuumed to keep them clean. The Punto still has a faint scent of women's perfume (from the previous owner) though I've given it a few sprays of Lynx Chocolate to balance it up a bit.

I liked this part of the article:
"Children are little bags of germs and if you cart them around, they have more potential pathogens," said Tierno.

I've always thought that :p
It's moisture that breeds bacteria - have you noticed how children's hands are always warm and wet?

I have nice dry, flakey skin :)

-Alex
 
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I've always thought that :p
me too. my main problem with kids (other than the time and money they require) is the mess and dirt. i'm a minimalist clean freak so the thought of having a child in my house makes me feel ill. a friend of mine has a 4 year old son and whenever he comes round there is a trail of crumbs and saliva and greasy finger prints all over the place.

i hate kids. they should be beaten daily.
 
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a friend of mine has a 4 year old son and whenever he comes round there is a trail of crumbs and saliva and greasy finger prints all over the place.

<shudder> urrrrgh... :eek:
Let's say you have a touchscreen phone like my HTC, and you're over at a (slightly-older) friend's place, and after you take a call, your friend's four- (or five-) year-old son wants to see and play with your phone... egged on by his Dad... awkward isn't it ;)

I identified with Hugh Grant in 'About a Boy' and I guess you did too.




Meanwhile this evening, after thinking about what I'd written last night, I decided to clean up the pile of sawdust and plastic shavings by the jigsaw/drill on the living room carpet - been there a few weeks. That's where I was doing a quick mod to the Uno's rear shelf supports and making MDF door baffles. The lighting was better than in the garage, and the Olympics were on TV. Of course it cleaned up in a few minutes with the Dyson, but the point is - had there been children here, that would have been trodden right around the house in five minutes, and imagine what havoc the power tools would wreck. :)

i hate kids. they should be beaten daily.

But remember, as I think we discussed in another thread, kids are so essential to the continued over-population of the planet :D

-Alex
 
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i eat on the bog, most relaxing place where i can savour the taste of my corned beef butty, worst part is finding somewhere to put it when you got to wipe :(. I either got to finish it of quick and risk heartburn or waddle over to the sink
 
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