When did Fiat start fitting DPFs?

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When did Fiat start fitting DPFs?

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Hi there,

I’m thinking of getting a newer Fiat diesel fiat but am extremely wary of Diesel Particulate filters.

Have a couple of questions….
When did Fiat start fitting them?
Are all newer shape bravos fitted with them or are the early ones (2007 - 2008) free of them?
Is there an easy way of telling without going to see the car and looking for the DPF?

Thanks,
Louie.
 
Hi there,

I’m thinking of getting a newer Fiat diesel fiat but am extremely wary of Diesel Particulate filters.

Have a couple of questions….
When did Fiat start fitting them?
Are all newer shape bravos fitted with them or are the early ones (2007 - 2008) free of them?
Is there an easy way of telling without going to see the car and looking for the DPF?

Thanks,
Louie.
Hi,
My '06 1.9 mJTD 16V Croma has a DPF and they were required from 2009 so I'd suggest that any new shape diesel will have one. If you are concerned that the type of journey you do will not regenerate the DPF you should reconsider buying any diesel regardless of DPF. Modern diesels are not economical for low mileage or short journeys.

Robert G8RPI.
 
Thanks for the reply Robert.

I'm not concerned about driving short trips - I do 19 miles each way to work most days and the 06 Panda Multijet.

I have quite a rounded appreciation of off highway after treatment technology and that it would be more of a when, not if the DPF section would need attention.

The various DPF systems all have a common factor. They collect soot from exhaust gas and have a regeneration cycle which heats up the internals to burn off as much as possible. It is not a 100% regeneration – each time some ash that remains. Eventually the system reaches its ash capacity and the DPF needs to be removed for either an ash service or replacement.

There are various ways and means of the engine control unit knowing when the DPF requires a generation cycle – delta pressure across the unit, ECM usage map, RF signal passed through the DPF to name a few.

There are also active and passive regeneration types. Some systems can change valve timing and fuel in to generate enough heat, while others have a separate injector and spark plug in the exhaust system to facilitate active regeneration.

Soot don’t only get into the exhaust stream from burning diesel. Another factor is cylinder blowby. All engines allow some oil past the piston rings and ito the combustion chamber. This is where low ash oil is critical. Use the cheap stuff and you’ll shorten the life of the DPF.

Other oil leaks (Turbo oil seal) or poor cold start system condition (faulty glow plugs) will also contribute to how long the DPF will be OK for.

All this extra clever technology employed to help clean up the aftermath of diesel combustion translates to extra component count. Which means more to go wrong, more risk of being off the road with big repair bills.

Not only that, the extra technology is often placed around the engine in the available engine bay space. Therefore it can get in the way of normal engine components and make what was once simple jobs more complicated and time consuming, more labour cost.

Sorry if I focus on the negatives here. I’ve not even seen a FIAT with aftertreatment , nor asked about which technology they chose.
 
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Well, unfortunately cars are getting more and more complex. DPF's on diesels is just one thing. They do seem to get a bad press, but as you say if you drive enough and use correct oils (but low sulfur is not so good for engine wear) a DPF should be no worse than any other exhaust component. Petrol cars are getting them next. The other worry with a new diesel is possible tax backlash by the greenies (one I know did not like it when I pointed out his new "green" direct injection petrol had more particulate and CO2 emissions than my "dirty old diesel" :)


Pays your money and takes your choice.
 
Hi there,


Is there an easy way of telling without going to see the car and looking for the DPF?

Thanks,
Louie.

potentially - looking at the VED rates via the vehicles REG plate,;)

however my sons Focus 2008 is dirt cheap AND DPF free, as DPF avaiability meant the car type was rate LOW in emissions..:rolleyes:

Charlie
 
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