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I know what you mean. We did 2500 miles on the continent a few weeks ago. Went Chamonix (same region as you went through) - Turin - Chamonix - Freiburg - Strasbourg (not that nice) to Reims (nice :) ) to home :(
Never been to Strasbourg, but agree wholeheartedly agree with your comments on Reims.

Thats exactly what I want to do over the next couple of weeks. Got any tips Beard?
Wrote out a monster post, but lost it when I tried to put it up, so I'd better have another go.
We drove from Manchester to Dover then sailed by Seafrance to Calais. From there we went all the way to Dijon by Autoroute where we stayed in a Campanile (Dijon Nord), the distance from Mancland was 645 miles. We went on the A26 to south of Reims which then became the A4 and subsequently the A26 again until south of Troyes when it again changes, this time to the A5 towards Dijon. But, it becomes the A31 before reaching it and shortly after becomes the A6 as traffic from Paris joins. The A6 then enters the centre of Lyon through a series of tunnels where you tend to lose the signs for the A7 which you will need.

Once out of Lyon, follow the A7 to just north of Marseille where the motorway changes its number once again, this time to the A8 which goes all the way to the Italian border the other side of Monaco.

Don't be put off by all he changes of road number from A26 to A4 to A26 and so on. The interchanges are all a doddle to deal with as long as you keep your eyes open and your wits about you.

On the return trip we missed out a lot of the more southerly autoroutes in favour of a cross country route which meant travelling from Nice onto the D6202 towards Digne followed by the D4075/D1075 through Misson, which has a great roadside cafe/restaurant for lunch. Keep following the D1075 past Grenoble towards Bourg-en-Bresse where you can pick up the A42 towards Macon and the A26 back in the direction of Dijon.

Making your way through towns and cities is made easier by following signs that say "Autres directions" or "Tout directions."

More of this rambling drivel later. I've got to take the dog for a walk.
 
Right, (cracks knuckles) back to business. If people know all this stuff they can just scroll down until (if) they find something of interest. Or not, as the case may be.

Most of the French Autoroute system is covered by road tolls known as "Peage" and on entering a section covered by this you will find unmanned booths where you collect a ticket for that stretch of road. I don't know what would happen if you lost it, so I suggest you tuck it into the sun visor. On leaving the motorway, or coming to the end of a section, you will have to present your ticket and pay. Look at the electronic signs above the "Gare de Paeage" as these will tell you which lane to get into. If a lane has a symbol of what appears to be a man leaning forward, it means the booth is manned. If it shows an image of a credit card then, obviously, it means credit and debit cards only and will almost certainly be unmanned. If the image shows a card and coins, then I think that will be pretty self explanatory and that booth will almost certainly be manned as well. However, at night, some of the booths leading off towards small towns will not be manned and you will have to run the risk of waiting until someone turns up in the morning if you don't have cash or cards to pay with. Some lanes will have an orange "t" and a green arrow above them which seems to mean you can pay a person, or use the "telepass" scheme which is a pre-paid method of using the autoroutes. Beware of any that say "telepass exclusiv" above as once in this and not posessing a pass you will not be able to get out if there are cars behind you. French intransigence really comes into its own there. They'd rather starve to death than reverse to let you out.

Typically, the French autoroute system has a service area every 30kms where you can buy fuel, maps, snacks and drinks. You can either sit down inside or take your beverages back to your car or even sit outside. However, about 10kms down the road you will find a rest area which will have somewhere to park, toilets which are usually very clean and fully functional, plus a picnic area. 10kms further on, or thereabouts, there will be another one. So, there should be a full service area, followed 10k later by a rest area, followed 10k later by another one, followed 10k later by a full service area. These are known as Aires and will have a sign about 2,000 metres before telling you if it has fuel and a restaurant or just toilets and parking.

On our trip as I mentioned earlier, we took a different route on the way back because of potential traffic problems. The return route, despite containing about 210miles of country route, was only half a mile longer in total than on the way out. The roads are well surfaced although the prevailing speed limits are lower, typically 90km/h, or 56 mph and maybe 50km/h, or 31mph in towns. However, from Nice all the way to Bourg-en-Bresse where we rejoined the autoroute, it was just one long litany of "oohs and aahs and F***ing Hell, look at that. Magnificent mountains, alpine meadows, medieval mountain top villages that you would have difficulty imagining being built now, never mind nearly a 1,000 years ago and wide rivers (mostly dry at this time of year) are everywhere. The road winds its way round the mountains and through a number of small towns like Misson with its excellent roadside restaurant or Voiron with its market square and laid back feel.

Fixed speed cameras are marked on maps and are signposted a few hundred yards in advance at the side of the road. Mobile speed checks obviously are not, although if there is any oncoming traffic they will flash their lights to warn you. I've never been pulled for speeding in France, but I believe they will escort you to the nearest "Autobank" where you will be relieved of about €100 which will tend to impact on your holiday spending money somewhat. Beware the A16, 25 and 26 to and from the Channel ports as they tend to target these quite a lot. Wonder why.

Some autoroutes are subject to a fixed price, usually around €2, which you pay on entry to the section so it pays to have some coins and the odd €5 note as they are usually unmanned.
 
So, how to condense all this. Well, probably not that easy without losing much of the detail, and as the saying goes: "The Devil is in the detail."

1. Autoroutes have, generally speaking a higher average speed than the RN (Route National) and RD (Route Departmental) but also have tolls which could cost about (can't remember how much we paid now) €75-120 each way. But, on days where there is very heavy traffic it can take 15 minutes a time to get through some toll bars. Plus the levels of traffic can add another hour to the journey times.

2. If you are young enough to stand 10-12 hour days covering 650 or so miles then the trip should be easily completed in two days, although I know a chap in his 80s who drives from Manchester to his family in Genoa in Italy in one go. He loads the car up with fuel and luggage and then puts a small cardboard box on the passenger seat containing food and drink. That way the only time he stops is for the tunnel and to fill his tank and empty his bladder. However, if you are not used to long journeys, beware of tiredness bringing on flawed judgement and even halucinations.

3. My recommendation would be to try and make the journey part of the holiday. For instance, the next time we drive to Nice we will drive to Reims and stay in the Campanile at Reims sud, Murigny. At €75 per night it's not the cheapest in the company, but having got there late afternoon, you could have a shower then drive into the city centre for a bite to eat near the Cathedral which will bring the pace of the day down nice and easy. Failing that, about 15 miles south of that hotel is the Campanile at Epernay (Dizy). Epernay is the home of champagne and driving into the town centre for some nosh and a drink is given an almost surreal sensation as you pass the head offices of firms like Moet & Chandon, Lanson and many others. The next day we'd drive down to Dijon which is largely medieval and the Campanile (yet again) at Dijon Nord is the one we stayed at. It is in an industrial area so if the hotel's restaurant has closed, you have no choice but to go into the city centre. One factor all three of the above mentioned hotels have in common is that they are within a few hundred yards of a large supermarket, an Intermarche, Carrefour or SuperU.

4. That's worth knowing because in all 3 cases they have a filling station which can cut €0.20 per litre off your petrol bill. In a reasonably large car, like the Alfa 156, that can mean almost £10 per tankful and as you will probably need 5-6 tanks to make the journey that can be a useful saving. On the subject of fuel, diesel is considerably cheaper in France than sans plomb, somewhere between €0.10 and 0.15 per litre. The other thing worth bearing in mind is that almost all 95 Regular petrol on sale over there is E10, or in other words 10% Ethanol. This shouldn't be a problem if your car was made after 1999 and indeed the 2001 registered 156 seemed to drink it quite comfortably, but if you are taking an older car it would be worth checking that it's ok to fill it with that kind of fuel.

5. Although you can use cards to pay for the Autoroute, it's worth finding out at what exchange rate they will charge you. If they will only give you €1 to the £ instead of the €1.18 you can get on the high street it could cost you another £20 to make the journey. If you pay by debit card there could be a handling charge as well. Personally I favour cash. Take a good hard look at the symbols over the lanes at the peage to make sure you don't end up in the wrong queue.

6. Don't forget to take the necessary items like a warning tri-angle, flouresent hi-vis jackets (1 per occupant), GB sticker, spare bulb kit and, ideally a First Aid kit, although we forgot to take one. Perhaps the most obvious is headlamp beam deflectors. This is very important because along with the GB sticker it's very obvious and could give the Gendarmes a good reason to stop you which would then allow them to check whether you have all the other bits and pieces as well. If you have number plates with the little blue panel on the left with GB printed on it, you won't need the GB plate.

7. Talk to your insurance broker and have a look at your policy. If it has a short statement (in several languages) saying that you are insured to drive in that country in accordance with minimum insurance requirements then you should be alright, but whatever you do, take the original policy document with you. You will also need the (original) registration document, or if it's a firm's vehicle or leased, a letter from the owner saying that you have permission to take the car outside the UK and a current MOT certificate if appropriate.

8. Although I've never needed it, every time I've taken the car abroad I've taken out AA European Breakdown cover. Although other organisations provide this kind of cover, I've always used the AA because they have their own call centre in France manned by English speaking staff which, let's face it, if you need that kind of service, you don't want to get someone who you can't really understand and who doesn't really have the faintest idea what the hell you're on about.

9. DRIVE ON THE RIGHT!! I know that sounds pretty stupid, but every single time I've driven in France over a period of about 30 years, I've turned onto the wrong side of the road on one occasion. Never more than once, but one time is all you need to die.

Bonne Voyage mes amis
 
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You're welcome, in a deep voiced, hearty slap on the back, strong handshake, let's drink strong liquor kind of way.
 
people who don't know how to enter or leave a motorway with out disrupting the flow of traffic :mad:
or people who drive in the trawler lane and are determined not to let you in. don't slow down / speed up to allow you to merge or move over.

i was behind a car on slip road doing 30, lucky it was quite a long slip road where i could overtake, my 1.2 8 valve would take ages to to 70 from 30 uphill.

what speed do you lot reach the motorway at?
i prefer 70 cause its easier to loose speed than gain it
 
what speed do you lot reach the motorway at?
i prefer 70 cause its easier to loose speed than gain it

Normally hit the road at about 90 going home from work.
Its geting to my work that it dificult. As i work out in the country the road i turn off on the Mway has no slip road so you have to slow right down to 40. There is always one idiot who wants to 90mph behind you.
 
:cry: car has loads of stuff wrong, might be cheaper / easier to flog it at a loss and get something else.

Needs a timing belt (Hasn't gone but it's 20k passed it's due date)
Two front tyres
A new wheel
Drivers door window mech has broken (glass currently wedged in place with wood :eek:)
New suspension bushings on all corners

Still not got the van back either :bang:
 
What car and engine?
:cry: car has loads of stuff wrong, might be cheaper / easier to flog it at a loss and get something else.

Needs a timing belt (Hasn't gone but it's 20k passed it's due date)
Two front tyres
A new wheel
Drivers door window mech has broken (glass currently wedged in place with wood :eek:)
New suspension bushings on all corners

Still not got the van back either :bang:
 
Went to tax the car.
Walked to Cash machine, wasn't working, so had to walk into the 'village' then walked back towards the postie, when i got there, there was a massive cue, i can only assume other people taxing cars and worse, ebay sellers. :( and as i had the dog i wasn't comfortable leaving him tied outside for how long it'd take to que up. so just went home, will have to do it tomorrow, but expecting post of a part for the car tomorrow, so don't want to miss that.

also on the way home the dog did a poo :yuck:
 
Went to tax the car.
Walked to Cash machine, wasn't working, so had to walk into the 'village' then walked back towards the postie, when i got there, there was a massive cue, i can only assume other people taxing cars and worse, ebay sellers. :( and as i had the dog i wasn't comfortable leaving him tied outside for how long it'd take to que up. so just went home, will have to do it tomorrow, but expecting post of a part for the car tomorrow, so don't want to miss that.

also on the way home the dog did a poo :yuck:

tax it online:idea:
 
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