General what speakers / tweeters do you recommend ? (Standard OEM Full Blaupunkt)

[captainslarty]

Hi all, I want to know if it is cost effective to fit replacement speakers instead of the original blaupunkt ones ? (definitely keeping the head unit) ...
I also would like a crossover unit and tweeters to fit where the blanks are in the door handle area... possibly just front for now ?
If its really worth it, what do I go for, and what sizes will fit the existing spaces ?
Are there any on Amazon uk you recommend with the tweeters etc ?

I find the unit, as is, has stacks of bass, it is just lacking a bit in treble / hf stuff - but pretty darn good generally.
What say you guys ?

Also, someone may be able to answer, the fiat oem tweeters are only 7 quid each ! - but I cannot see a crossover unit on any parts list ? how would these be wired and to where ?.... they may well be an option - I could drill the holes out of the existing tweeter blanks (depending what they come with)
Ta., Cap.

 

[captainslarty]

Just answered part of my own question - from elearn - the tweeters unclude crossover and are wired to front speakers ! -
hmmm... They are only 7 quid each,,,

Might be buying a pair...... will see if I can find the cover with holes in...

 

[captainslarty]

Parts for tweeters from 'hifi' option pack - door panel cover for hifi 2 of, 2 * tweeters -
parts are -

51746394 LOUD SPEAKER 6,13 each
735354563 SUPPORT 9,45
735354564 SUPPORT 9,45
Prices above are Euros, plus Vat. (the 'support' is the plastic trim panel)
I think one could probably drill holes in the existing trim panel blank (the hole pattern is there, just not drilled through.... so that would drop it to around 12 Euros for the pair..

They must fit some fancy damn main door speakers when the 'hifi' option is selected (the sub / tweeters etc) as they use different front and rear speakers, the rear are similar price, the fronts are 200 euros MORE - EACH !!! yikes...

 

[TCSJA]

Where are you getting the parts from?
Is there a website?
I'm looking to upgrade my speakers too

 

[captainslarty]

Where are you getting the parts from?
Is there a website?
I'm looking to upgrade my speakers too

Hi,
The parts I quoted are from Fiat,
I ordered them yesterday. The tweeters (same as fitted to Barchetta) are the ones from the panda hifi kit, and are just over 6 euro each. The other parts are the plasric covers that replace the imitation tweeters in the door panels near the door handle with real panels with holes ! and the speaker mount. they were more than the speakers, 9 euro each. so 40 euro for the pair with the genuine speakers and door trims.
On mine, the wire is already fitted, but if your is not, then you simply wire them to the fron speaker in the door ensuring phase is correct - no cross over is needed, it is built in.
If you do attempt it, it is worth buying a set of trim removal tools - about 3 euro ! - like plastic chisels if you need to remove the door trims.
Hope that helps.
They should be here in 3 or 4 days, I will take some pictures if you like. ?
Cap.

 

[TCSJA]

Yeah, please do.
I want to upgrade my panda to the 6 speaker setup so need the tweeters and the undersea sub.
Do you know if fiat sell that?

 

[captainslarty]

Yeah, please do.
I want to upgrade my panda to the 6 speaker setup so need the tweeters and the undersea sub.
Do you know if fiat sell that?

Not quite that easy sir, the front speakers are different - 255 quid each ! - how much difference they make, I dont know.. I may just go for a pair of component speakers when the sub is fitted and the tweeters.. depends on what it sounds like....

The sub is
735561611 LOUD SPEAKER
Weight (grams): 1950
Listed price(1): 225,00 EUR
Price including taxes: 276,75 EUR

An after market one would be cheaper and probably better. ALso, if you have been following this thread, it will almost certainly NOT be a plug and play experience. I am sure it is far easier in reality to buy component speakers and sub and fit them.

edit, ps, I think you meant #uderseat# - or did you want to go looking for sunken treasure lol ?

 

[A3jeroen]

parts are -

51746394 LOUD SPEAKER 6,13 each
735354563 SUPPORT 9,45
735354564 SUPPORT 9,45
Prices above are Euros, plus Vat. (the 'support' is the plastic trim panel)

Are these the numbers for the early (lighter grey) interior or are they all the same?

gr J

 

[captainslarty]

Are these the numbers for the early (lighter grey) interior or are they all the same?

gr J

Hi sir,
all the same as they were the darker grey anyway, even on the early cars.
Just the two (L & R) part numbers for all.
Cap.

Hmmm, just looked with Netherlands pricing - 15 Euros EACH ! for the speakers, and 11.5 for the trims each !
It makes a crazy difference to prices depending on the country. ! - here and the UK the prices are similar - usually cheaper here by about 25% normally.
The worst for most things, believe it or not, seems to be Italy !!!

 

[A3jeroen]

...the benefits of a united Europe...

gr J

 

[captainslarty]

...the benefits of a united Europe...

gr J

Someone could make a lot of money in buying parts in one country and sending them to another if demand warranted it ...
Would that be a real 'Fiat' currency then.. ??

 

[adz83]

Did you get the tweeters fitted, i'm interested to know if they improve the standard speakers much.

 

[captainslarty]

Did you get the tweeters fitted, i'm interested to know if they improve the standard speakers much.

Hi sir,
Still not arrived yet, possibly this week (I ordered front and rear Fiat badges at the same time and one part was on back order to Italy - not sure which one - I just told mr Fiat to call me when they had them all), also, just ordered a Sub from a very kind fellow forumite which will be here possibly in about 10 days, so will fit them all together when I get chance.
I am sure they will certainly help the standard speakers, certainly on mine there is a distinct lack of HF . the bass booms - without the sub ! - so am hoping to main wind the bass off and use the sub as it is intended - the tweeters should then fill in the top end.
Again , will let you know, but not sure when I will get chance to fit them as we are house hunting at the moment, definitely not this week coming - possibly the week after..
I will however, post images as soon as I get them..

 

[captainslarty]

Well, parts arrived - made in Poland and Italy - Here are some images, fairly self explanatory I think...
old 'dummy tweeter' cover, new proper cover, new tweeter, and how they fit to new cover. 37 Euros inc tax for the pair - Fiat (of course) - bargain !.
Nicely made.... as they should be.
Love the filtering , so simple.. 4.7 uF capacitor (electrolytic) in series... capacitive reactance at 5 Khz starts increasing causing LF roll off, zilch at 15 Khz so it can pass through - simple high pass filter, way to go...

Well made and simple to fit.
here are the pics..
will be a week or so before I fit them to the car, will take some pics.. will be fitting sub at same time (again genuine Fiat)
Enjoy.
(Apologies if some of the images are a bit 'off'' the Olympus doesnt like macro with the tele photo on and I couldnt be arsed changing the lens

 

[AB100]

(Apologies if some of the images are a bit 'off'' the Olympus doesnt like macro with the tele photo on and I couldnt be arsed changing the lens

1. You're either a skinflint and won't shell out for a Canon 500D filter


or


2. You're a lazy sod who can't be bothered to get a cheap +2 dioptre filter.


Be interesting to know the difference the tweets make. Presumably just so you can hear the backward-masking on old Floyd records.

 

[captainslarty]

1. You're either a skinflint and won't shell out for a Canon 500D filter


or


2. You're a lazy sod who can't be bothered to get a cheap +2 dioptre filter.


Be interesting to know the difference the tweets make. Presumably just so you can hear the backward-masking on old Floyd records.

CBA factor simply too high, good enough images for the purpose though (also pissing about with filters is a no no, I might as well just put the std lens on - and cant be arsed to do that lol )
Or Dave Stewart playing the sax while Annie hits the highs ...
And yes, Floyd, of course ! - Dark Side is still ace.. and Paul Simon Graceland era... but, mainly for the truly awesome Black Keys... (they are in concert here in a month or so, might just go.. )

:worship::worship::worship:

I posted this before - but still excellent... :devil: - I want them to make this movie lol...

 

[adz83]

Is the Sub plug and play? or is that too much to ask.

 

[captainslarty]

Is the Sub plug and play? or is that too much to ask.

Yes, if you have the wiring FULLY installed from new... some do, some dont, some have HALF the wiring, some have what appears to be a full setup only to find no fuse fitted AND no fuse connectors.
The ONLY way you would know is meter the sub connecotr (if you have it !) - to the radio connector for the rear speaker outputs continuity, then also F54 has to be able to be fitted (it needs the connectors in the fuse box !) and then meter it through to the sub connector. ALso, the Yellow connector on the back of the radio has to be metered through to the sub conenctor - any or all of these parts may or may not be fitted.
So, you could call it plug and pray.
Not a difficult job though if you have the sub multi plug fitted. you can sort the missing connectors out (if there are any) with a good multimeter and lots of patience, and possiby some wire.. if no F54 then an inline fuse (15A) needs adding to the ignition swtiched side.

Easy really..

Same as tweeters, only way you will know if you have the wires is to take the door panels off - but even if you havent got the cable, its a simple job to run a bit of cable from the fron speaker in the front door to the tweeter - just ensure phase is correct.

Ah, the joys of motoring.... I wonder when there is a sub for sale on ebay, how many people have actually bought it, tried it, and resold it on ebay - there might only ever have been one lol - it was just sold 27 times as no one had the full wiring kit in their car ... (but I do :devil Mine is one of the very first - made in 2003 ! - at that stage, I think they only has 1 loom for every model lol.

 

[adz83]

Sounds like i'm going to have to get my hands dirty lol, it's more the tweeters i'm interested in really as the speakers have enough bass as standard for me.

 

[captainslarty]

Sounds like i'm going to have to get my hands dirty lol, it's more the tweeters i'm interested in really as the speakers have enough bass as standard for me.

Actually, I think the speakers have too much bass, it is not really easy to adjust to get it right - add bass and you arer covering mid range (top hf is lacking to start with - hence the tweeters!).
I think - this is the theory lol - that the sub will allow the the main speaker bass to be reduced allowing a cleaner mid range. The sub will provide the bass properly.
I think the door cavities enhance / AND DISTORT the bass too much and drown out the mid range.. some insulation in the doors would assist possibly as well.