paulcrema
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I have a 2016 fiat 500x . The warning light : service keyless entry system has activated. Does anyone have experience with this warning? What service is required? What is the problem or fix? Any input would be appreciated.
Technical Warning light : service keyless entry
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Technical Warning light : service keyless entry
Well today I now have this issue myself.
I was hoping it would never come my way but alas I guess my luck just ran out.
Not look yet or plugged in the diagnostics yet.
I think I'll just go straight to the RFH module first and take it from there.
I was hoping it would never come my way but alas I guess my luck just ran out.
Not look yet or plugged in the diagnostics yet.
I think I'll just go straight to the RFH module first and take it from there.
A small update.
I decided to connect diagnostics first and found RFH Error.
MaxiECU Had: B1035-01 : Button Pressed - General Electric Failure
MultiECUScan Had: B1035-01 : External handle input for Passive Entry - General Electrical Failure
Interestingly the Fiat eLearn diagnostics have: Button Pressed - General Electrical Failure B1035-01
So we have two different descriptions of the problem. Now the door handle sensor connect to the RFH as does the Start/Stop button.
I also found that the error once cleared reappears when the Start/Stop button is pressed.
I gained access to the RFH module and noticed small drops of water on one of the seams facing the rear. The module also slopes backward to rear and right end down.
The cables themselves felt dry.
I need to inspect in greater detail tomorrow (weather permitting) before removing the module and connectors. The purpose of doing this is to see where the water is coming in. Based on what I have seen so far I think it may be from where the boot seal goes round the top of the hatch back/roof line to wrap down the C post upper wing lip. Right in that top left corner the roof and upper C post join with basically on overlap this creating a ridge. Also as it is on the bend then the usual rubber seal profile will probably be bending/bulging a little.
If what I suspect is the water ingress method is correct then I think the fix will be fairly simple.
1) create a shield / shroud over the top of the RFH module
2) lift the tailgate hate rubber seal, clean any rubbish out, reform the bend area and then put back with loads of Waxoil
Fingers crossed the module / connectors when cleaned will be be back up and running OK.
Will keep you all posted.
Nick
I decided to connect diagnostics first and found RFH Error.
MaxiECU Had: B1035-01 : Button Pressed - General Electric Failure
MultiECUScan Had: B1035-01 : External handle input for Passive Entry - General Electrical Failure
Interestingly the Fiat eLearn diagnostics have: Button Pressed - General Electrical Failure B1035-01
So we have two different descriptions of the problem. Now the door handle sensor connect to the RFH as does the Start/Stop button.
I also found that the error once cleared reappears when the Start/Stop button is pressed.
I gained access to the RFH module and noticed small drops of water on one of the seams facing the rear. The module also slopes backward to rear and right end down.
The cables themselves felt dry.
I need to inspect in greater detail tomorrow (weather permitting) before removing the module and connectors. The purpose of doing this is to see where the water is coming in. Based on what I have seen so far I think it may be from where the boot seal goes round the top of the hatch back/roof line to wrap down the C post upper wing lip. Right in that top left corner the roof and upper C post join with basically on overlap this creating a ridge. Also as it is on the bend then the usual rubber seal profile will probably be bending/bulging a little.
If what I suspect is the water ingress method is correct then I think the fix will be fairly simple.
1) create a shield / shroud over the top of the RFH module
2) lift the tailgate hate rubber seal, clean any rubbish out, reform the bend area and then put back with loads of Waxoil
Fingers crossed the module / connectors when cleaned will be be back up and running OK.
Will keep you all posted.
Nick
Fixed! and hopefully for a long time to come.
Firstly I found some light film of water in the lower wing cavity. We have had a reasonable amount of rain over the last few days so any water that is getting in is minimal. That said continued damp on connectors / electronics is not good.
I could not really find as such by feel where the water was coming in. That said when I lifted the tail gate rubber it was quite damp and droplets of water on the inner channel. Pretty sure the water is getting in on the top corners where the seal bends around and downwards over the ridged seam where the upper C panel meets the roofline. I've pulled and cleaned both corners and down to lights. Refitted with lots of waxoil also ensuring the really gave the top corner ridge seam most attention.
Now for the RFH module (RFHM).
The best way to get this out is to removed the carrier frame from its three post fixings. One up on the inner wing to the left, one down on the wheel arch to the right, and one further up on the top of the wheel arch.
Now one can unplug the two connectors (slide the grey tab backwards) and fully remove the frame and dismount the RFHM.
On inspection I was expecting the larger right side connector to be troubled / corroded but actually it was left side one. Only mild stuff and nothing on the circuit board (unlike some previous post pictures.
Looking at the wiring runs and "angles of dangles" I decide to dispense with the carrier frame and mount the module twisted 90 degrees clockwise using just the one mounting. Also put 5mm neoprene mat underneath the module secure with tie wrap.
With the module in this position the larger connector and cable are facing down. The upper connector cable has a nice cable drip loop.
Lastly I covered the whole assembly and cables with a thick polythene sheets. This slide up behind the seat belt reel and goes over the module and wires down into the inner wing. The sheet is secured using the un-used frame mounting studs.
I'm hopeful that this fix remains permanent even if water finds it's way in again.
Firstly I found some light film of water in the lower wing cavity. We have had a reasonable amount of rain over the last few days so any water that is getting in is minimal. That said continued damp on connectors / electronics is not good.
I could not really find as such by feel where the water was coming in. That said when I lifted the tail gate rubber it was quite damp and droplets of water on the inner channel. Pretty sure the water is getting in on the top corners where the seal bends around and downwards over the ridged seam where the upper C panel meets the roofline. I've pulled and cleaned both corners and down to lights. Refitted with lots of waxoil also ensuring the really gave the top corner ridge seam most attention.
Now for the RFH module (RFHM).
The best way to get this out is to removed the carrier frame from its three post fixings. One up on the inner wing to the left, one down on the wheel arch to the right, and one further up on the top of the wheel arch.
Now one can unplug the two connectors (slide the grey tab backwards) and fully remove the frame and dismount the RFHM.
On inspection I was expecting the larger right side connector to be troubled / corroded but actually it was left side one. Only mild stuff and nothing on the circuit board (unlike some previous post pictures.
Looking at the wiring runs and "angles of dangles" I decide to dispense with the carrier frame and mount the module twisted 90 degrees clockwise using just the one mounting. Also put 5mm neoprene mat underneath the module secure with tie wrap.
With the module in this position the larger connector and cable are facing down. The upper connector cable has a nice cable drip loop.
Lastly I covered the whole assembly and cables with a thick polythene sheets. This slide up behind the seat belt reel and goes over the module and wires down into the inner wing. The sheet is secured using the un-used frame mounting studs.
I'm hopeful that this fix remains permanent even if water finds it's way in again.
