It obviously depends on who you're insured with and the individual but insurers don't alter the premium every time.
So is the 85 mechanically different to the 105?
The turbo, manifold, thermostat and I think one other external part that escapes me at the moment are different in the 105hp. The internals are all the same. Keep in mind that the 85hp only makes 100hp per litre which is fairly modest for a turbo engine. I wouldn't call it a highly stressed unit. IMO the release of the 105hp model suggests Fiat were conservative with the initial 85hp spec until some real world miles were put on them.
i think all new fiats are sold now with ESP.Don't forget the disks all round and the ESP!
i think all new fiats are sold now with ESP.
I was referring to upgrades that would be needed to bring an older 85 up to 105 spec
If remapping can get 85 up to a "real" 101 I wonder why they would get out of a 105.
I share the opinion that the TA should not be highly stressed as even 105hp from a 0.9 engine is not huge. I know it is not the same but 210hp from a 4cylinder wouldn't rewrite any records.
The Dutch chip tuner Savali Tuning, a subsidiary of offical FIAT dealer Vireo Auto, tunes the TA85 to 102 hp and the TA105 to 120 hp.If remapping can get 85 up to a "real" 101 I wonder why they would get out of a 105.
That's a normally aspirated engine as well.Yes Honda S2000 was over 100 hp per litre from an an engine !
Previously forgot to mention the 6 speed gearbox of the 105. All in all the premium for the 105 is very good value.
My understanding was that the 85hp TA was more about emissions fitting into the category that exempted it from the congestion charge. When that exemption was removed it paved the way for the 105. Sure I remember reading that somewhere.
It is what I read when the 105 was being released.
No, the point is that the 85 was no longer going to be exempt. The rules changed so it did not qualify so if the 85 was based on that exemption it no longer made sense. Hence releasing more power from the same engine. Why would they have restricted the power (it wasn't in the 500L).
I am not championing this theory I am just passing it on.
You may disagree.