turbo question not 20v!! (rather long and stupid post)

[matt]

i will probally be shot for starting a turbo question and told that i am wrong but here it goes.

1st
does a 2.ol 16v turbo coupe engine fit in a 1.8hlx bravo bay? (much hassle? as i have done a few engine swaps but no fiats)

2nd
i know that this can work with some cars so i was thinking wether you could apply it to a bravo.

as some cars have turbo big bothers you can swap parts to make your car a turbo ie swapping
turbo
mainfolds
oil pipeing
coolant pipeing
ecu so that the car puts more petrol in to correct air/fuel ratio
injectors
intercooler and pipes.

so i was thinking if you went to a scrappy and got a coupe 16v ecu, injectors,turbo,intercooler snd pipes.
you could have a manifold and downpipe made up.
teeing off some coolant to go through the turbo would'nt be too hard.

Then you would need to get a relocation kit for the oil filter, so it would give room to tee of some oil for the turbo but you would need to tap it back in to the pan.

change the injectors and fit intercooler

but the problem is that i dont think the ecu would work as its for a 2.0l and not a 1.8 so it wolud tell the engine to put in to much petrol, plus there would probaly be some more wiring as its not from a bravo.
im also stuck on how would you get the air from the turbo into the intake would you need the 16v coupe intake?

anyway thats it in brief, and would be cheaper than a engine conversion and eaiser. it would be nice to have a 1.8 turbo bravo. (im mad

i know you can do it with hondas, toyota ect

anyway how much did it cost that person who fitted a coupe engine, and did he do it him self?

 

[Tom]

I believe they are quite different engines, the 2ltr turbo is a lancia twin cam derived lump.

Also you forget that a turbo engine has a different compression ratio, stronger pistons, oil cooling for the pistons, stronger con rods, stronger clutch....

Novitec will turbo your 1.8 for about £3000 but it gives you only a few more BHP than the HGT155 and deeply questionable reliability.

The coupe 16 valve lump is 195BHP I think.

 

[matt]

Re: Re: turbo question not 20v!! (rather long and stupid post)

those things did cross my mind but i did'nt know wehter novitec changed those componets?

dose the 16v turbo lump drop stright in? and what sort of price do they go for as im think of buying a scooby but they are so ugly and a engine swap would be cheaper as i could do it my self

 

[Ian]

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I thought it was 185BHP. the 2.0 20V is 235BHP.

 

[Tom]

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No, they do no internal mods to the engine, hence my comment about reliability.

From memory the 16 valve coupe engine needs the tipo gearbox so is not a straight swap.

Ian, 185, 195, its still more than 160

 

[Allan Wall]

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the 16vt is 195bhp, 20vt is 220 standard.

and 16vt is almost identical engine to lancia evo one, but with smaller turbo i believe.

the 16v engine does go in fairly well but does need some engine mounts fabricated abit, although from speaking to a different garage they reckon lancia dedra has same engine mounts and would be a dead easy swap as its an identical engine bay almost. but that is 8v, but they said the mounts may be easier to work with than the originals or coupe mounts.

does need some re plumbing and re wiring but if you've done some before prob wont be too bad, there was a scrapyard in york put the 20vt in a bravo and said it was fairly easy? its just pipe work for intercooler etc that is a bit of a fiddle.

just have a go, if your serious about it i'm sure you'll manage in the end, although i'd say it'll probably be cheaper to get a scooby! and will be a lot quicker, mine spins the wheels in thrid easily and its only 8v running 6psi throufh turbo at the moment! and not cheap tyres! lol

 

[Anonymous]

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16V 2d (95-96) 1995/- 142 129 8.9 30 - 17
16V Turbo 2d (95-96) 1995/- 195 140 7.3 28 - 18
20V 2d (96-00) 1998/5 154 134 8.4 28 232 17
20V Turbo 2d (96-99) 1998/5 220 155 6.3 28 240 19
20V Turbo 2d (6) (99-00) 1998/5 220 155 6.5 28 240 19
20V Turbo LE 2d (RHD) (98-99) 1998/5 220 155 6.5 28 240 19
20V Turbo Plus 2d (99-00) 1998/5 220 155 6.5 28 240 20


taken from parkers

 

[Allan W]

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i was originally told it needed tipo box, but have since been told the coupe, or a dedra turbo box would have worked fine if you had all the linkages etc, which annoyed me cos i'm stcuk with a crappy old tipo box at the mo, but am looking to change to a coupe box asap.


out of interest tom, do you have a fiat parts cd? i dont know how much you can see, but are the gearboxes the same on the 16v and 20 coupes? i was wondering if i could put a 16vt coupe box on does that mean i could put the 6sp 20vt le gearbox on?

 

[Tom]

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Nope, not got the CD.

What driveshafts do you have? Do the teapot and 16v coupe box have the equal length driveshafts like the 1.8 bravo?

 

[allan w]

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i have tipo driveshafts and hubs

hmm, i'm not sure, but i wa assured by evolution engineering that the box would go on, whereas avanti told me it wouldnt go on because of clutch linkages or something weird?

 

[Ian]

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Yep I was wrong again. Nothing unusual there.

 

[Tom]

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And people doubt me!

 

[YoGiS]

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Not completely related, but since we are talking about Coupes Anyone knows what (if any!) is Fiats next plan to replace the Coupe now that it is out of production? Would be a shame if they dont make any other sport model like it again!

 

[Ian]

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I've told you Tom. That's cus you drive a 4x4 with no cat for the extra 20bhp and 21 airbags

 

[Tom]

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Sod that, too small! I like my big diesel 3.5ton white van!

 

[Graham]

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Fiat have absolutely no plans for a replacement for the coupe. Their intention is to concentrate more on Alfa Romeo for those types of cars. Although saying that, anyone seen the new Fiat 500 with a new engine fiat has devleped (SOLELY) its a 1.6 16V turbo with 180bhp! Needless to say cr*ppy GM are stealing it for their Corsa as with the 1.3jtd! (bone of contention
the coupe 20V gearbox will definitely not fit the coupe 16V turbo so the 6 speed just aint gonna happen Im afraid. The engine will fit into the Bravo but as someone pointed out, will need mounts fabricating as will driveshafts to suit the current CV joints on your bravo. As for fabricating parts to allow the 2.0 16V turbo components to run on the 1.8 bravo engine......... NO CHANCE! that engine would die a very nasty death even if you did manage it. For the cost of converting it youd be able to afford a 2.0 20V turbo and drop it in.
By the way.... just in case anyone is looking for a 20V turbo lump with 6 Speed box, there is one in Combellacks scrap yard in Roche (Cornwall) with only 54k on it! rear end smack! he wants 2k for the engine, box and ALL ancillaries (Ecu, loom, map sensors the lot!!!!!

 

[Allan Wall]

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sounds liek a bargain if someone was going to ahve a go! got all the bits you need!

I'm temped myself! lol. . . . not, i've had enough of engine swaps!

shame about gearbox, would have been nice to have 6speed box in my brava!