Tuning Timing rotation

[Horse power]

Hi folks trying to find the timing rotation for 89 camper engine no 8144.21. 2.5 turbo ....it may be in a manual but to date no look in finding it ....any and all help appreciated...thanks a mill .....

 

[bugsymike]

Hi folks trying to find the timing rotation for 89 camper engine no 8144.21. 2.5 turbo ....it may be in a manual but to date no look in finding it ....any and all help appreciated...thanks a mill .....

Not quite sure what you need , but this is for a Fiat Ducato 1987-94 using the 8144.67 engine.
Firing order is 1342, so if it is clockwise rotation as I would expect then you can confirm by checking with cam cover off or by injectors or heater plugs out to see which piston is coming up on compression.

 

[Communicator]

Not quite sure what you need , but this is for a Fiat Ducato 1987-94 using the 8144.67 engine.
Firing order is 1342, so if it is clockwise rotation as I would expect then you can confirm by checking with cam cover off or by injectors or heater plugs out to see which piston is coming up on compression.

I also had doubts as to what info was required. I did wonder whether he was referring to the timing marks?

 

[bugsymike]

I also had doubts as to what info was required. I did wonder whether he was referring to the timing marks?

If OP does come back I have recently bought an earlier Cam belt timing book that includes the 8144. series from 1978-93.
Apparently it was used in the Fiat 131/132, Argenta D turbo, Croma, as well as some 2.5 Ducato models.

 

[Communicator]

If OP does come back I have recently bought an earlier Cam belt timing book that includes the 8144. series from 1978-93.
Apparently it was used in the Fiat 131/132, Argenta D turbo, Croma, as well as some 2.5 Ducato models.

I thought that you had retired. Obviously maintaining an interest. I think that you may find this link interesting.

 

[bugsymike]

I thought that you had retired. Obviously maintaining an interest. I think that you may find this link interesting.

Ha,ha. True. Thanks for the link.
I regret selling or chucking out all the old/out of current data manuals I had when I was working and buying the latest editions.
I still find problem solving satisfying although not wishing or able to get to heavily involved.
Recently I was with a friend who has developed an interest in Cycle motors (1950s bicycles with engines in the back wheel) amongst other things. He wanted to visit a local scrapyard and whilst wandering around I noticed the owner doing repairs on his old Iveco Recovery truck, I mentioned I had had a few , so he started talking about some issues he had with it. I glanced under the bonnet and was able to straight away find one of his issues, which he appreciated so soon it was hard for my friend to drag me away.

 

[Communicator]

Ha,ha. True. Thanks for the link.
I regret selling or chucking out all the old/out of current data manuals I had when I was working and buying the latest editions.
I still find problem solving satisfying although not wishing or able to get to heavily involved.
Recently I was with a friend who has developed an interest in Cycle motors (1950s bicycles with engines in the back wheel) amongst other things. He wanted to visit a local scrapyard and whilst wandering around I noticed the owner doing repairs on his old Iveco Recovery truck, I mentioned I had had a few , so he started talking about some issues he had with it. I glanced under the bonnet and was able to straight away find one of his issues, which he appreciated so soon it was hard for my friend to drag me away.

I can remember those. The first model that came to mind was a tyre rim drive version, which was mounted behind the saddle, thone that you allude to were, as you say built into the rear wheel. This unit was perhaps 12" in diameter. I also remember the "Autobike", more of a light motorbike.

 

[bugsymike]

I can remember those. The first model that came to mind was a tyre rim drive version, which was mounted behind the saddle, thone that you allude to were, as you say built into the rear wheel. This unit was perhaps 12" in diameter. I also remember the "Autobike", more of a light motorbike.

Yes a very compact unit complete with fuel tank, it can be fitted to most standard bicycles of that era in place of the rear wheel, merely connecting a throttle and clutch levers to the handlebars.
I have tried riding some of my friend's versions though 1950s stirrup brakes make life very interesting!!!
I lived at the top of a hill with a T junction at the bottom as a 16 year old on L plates so trying to stop the 1955 Matchless G11 Super Clubman with a double adult sidecar( bought for £10), only having a poor single leading shoe front brake was interesting enough
I did have a VeloSolex moped with friction drive to the front wheel given to me as a teenager by a neighbour, but never used it on the road.

 

[Horse power]

Not quite sure what you need , but this is for a Fiat Ducato 1987-94 using the 8144.67 engine.
Firing order is 1342, so if it is clockwise rotation as I would expect then you can confirm by checking with cam cover off or by injectors or heater plugs out to see which piston is coming up on compression.

Hi ..thanks for the info above it should help ,,,,the job originally was to change the rings on the pistons as was letting oil escape ,,,,,when handy man and myself went at it ,we were unable to remove the head because of bolts at the back of engine we couldn't get near ..so ended up dropping down the engine,,this is where the fun started ....now he is unsure of the timing to put it back ...firing order above may help .......greatly appreciated.....thanks a mill......

 

[Horse power]

If OP does come back I have recently bought an earlier Cam belt timing book that includes the 8144. series from 1978-93.
Apparently it was used in the Fiat 131/132, Argenta D turbo, Croma, as well as some 2.5 Ducato models.

Hi bugsy Mike ......any harm to ask where did you dig the manual up from ....does it say much about the 8144.21 engine and its timing ,position of the pistons .. could I get a copy or a photo...?....I had an idea it was used in some earlier models and some Iveco models .......going into a motor factors they would look at you as if you just landed on earth .......

 

[bugsymike]

Hi bugsy Mike ......any harm to ask where did you dig the manual up from ....does it say much about the 8144.21 engine and its timing ,position of the pistons .. could I get a copy or a photo...?....I had an idea it was used in some earlier models and some Iveco models .......going into a motor factors they would look at you as if you just landed on earth .......

My manuals are mostly Motor Trade Technical Service Data type, so what you saw on those two pages is as much detail as is considered necessary for a trained mechanic to complete the job.
Regarding positions of pistons etc. we always centre punched or similar marks to indicate to aid reassembly.
However I recently bought another older Timing belt Data book and here is the relevant information for a 8144. engine so may help a bit more re timing etc.
By the way I assume your Ducato is front wheel drive, it is just with mentioning Iveco Daily, whilst in some cases they use basically the same engine, you cannot fit one in the other as the bottom half of the engine crankshaft bearing part above the sump is different due to the inclination of the engine mainly.