Understand your frustration ziggy and cant say i've never done it myself but yeah, far too close 
The Dash Camera Thread (Videos)
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The Dash Camera Thread (Videos)
:yeahthat: I'd have probably been the same if you were hanging off of my bumper like that!
Thanks for posting this Andy best advert for a dash cam if ever I saw one!
First off I am pleased no one was injured and that all parties are safe and well. The driver of the civic needs to take a long look at his (I think) self as this could have ended up and a total pile up on the motorway.
Secondly well done for having the dash cam installed HGV Driver it has proven invaluable.
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Stephen
Although not mandatory the HGV driver is an arse for not moving into a lane that appeared to be clear and allowing the Civic in IMO
Although the Civic driver equally abviously has a death wish and no idea on how to drive :bang:
Although the Civic driver equally abviously has a death wish and no idea on how to drive :bang:
Although not mandatory the HGV driver is an arse for not moving into a lane that appeared to be clear and allowing the Civic in IMO
Although the Civic driver equally abviously has a death wish and no idea on how to drive :bang:
It's not the HGV driver's job to move out of the way - the idea of a sliproad is for vehicles joining a motorway to match motorway speeds & join in where possible.
The lorry is limited to 56mph - the car is not. The car driver chose to overtake the lorry on the inside THEN sit just in front looking to pull in.
It was the car driver's responsibility to either boot it & pull in front OR slow up & pull in behind.
It is strongly recommend to if the adjacent lane is clear. It's also courtesy to other road users, something few seem to have these days
I agree it's Civic drivers fault, but lorry driver could have easily avoided it if they'd moved into the lane to their right. It's not exactly difficult to do, and I know I'm not the only one to do it to ease the entrance of joining traffic.
It is strongly recommend to if the adjacent lane is clear. It's also courtesy to other road users, something few seem to have these days
I agree it's Civic drivers fault, but lorry driver could have easily avoided it if they'd moved into the lane to their right. It's not exactly difficult to do, and I know I'm not the only one to do it to ease the entrance of joining traffic.
Links?
And whilst lane 2 might be 'clear', the lorry driver is only doing 56mph, there are many cars doing 70+ - including those joining.
I have seen a great many cars join behind a lorry or coach & immediately boot it around them. 1 second the lane is clear, the next, a car is accellerating round you.
Links?
I'm not a driving instructor, but ask most and they'll advise this. Not sure what you're wanting links to, you can't link to verbal recommendation or common sense, and I'm not about to waste my time looking up driver instructor tuition docs etc, search for links yourself if you're that bothered.
I'm not a driving instructor, but ask most and they'll advise this. Not sure what you're wanting links to, you can't link to verbal recommendation or common sense, and I'm not about to waste my time looking up driver instructor tuition docs etc, search for links yourself if you're that bothered.
Anticipation and common sense take a hold here, I can't help but feel the hgv driver shares some of the blame as it seems he made no effort at all to slow and avoid the collision, he could also see the car approaching and it was a busy slip road so should have anticipated that moving over if safe was was the appropriate thing to do, finally how fricking close was he to the truck in front!? Clearly he was dangerously streamlining far to close and didn't want to give up a bigger gap to the car.
Yes clearly the car driver made some pretty big mistakes and misjudged things but this wasn't helped by the belligerent truck driver not giving an inch and leading to an accident he could have actually avoided if he'd wanted to
Advice given to new drivers is that "if you can assist those joining the motorway by moving over to an adjacent lane safely then you should do so
I would estimate that lorry is less than 3 car lengths from the lorry in front maybe at most 12metres, stopping distance at 56mph for a 40ton truck is something like 50-60metres so is an accident waiting to happen anyway
The car driver was initially going much faster than the lorry driver since the car only comes into view towards the end of the sliproad.
He's obviously booting it down the sliproad then suddenly realises he's not judged the distance & is rapidly running out of road, but instead of hitting the anchors, he simply matches speed! He might have got away with staying at speed then slowing off just as he gets behind the lorry in front - not ideal but it could've worked.
The lorry driver might have seen the car in his door mirror - but maybe assumed the car would pull in behind & not simply carry on & match his speed whilst sitting barely ahead of him.
The fact that the lorry driver must've noticed the car & didn't pull into lane 2 to avoid an accident suggests that there was something there preventing him from pulling over. Look at the initial frames of the video, there is a lorry in lane 2 overtaking the lorry ahead in lane 1. Note, also, how all the cars overtaking seem to be in lane 3 - which suggests there might be another lorry in lane 2, slowly overtaking.
As the lorry slows (about 50s) we see a lorry coming past in lane 3 - he possibly saw the front end of the car come out, along with the lorry's brake lights & took evasive action.
He's obviously booting it down the sliproad then suddenly realises he's not judged the distance & is rapidly running out of road, but instead of hitting the anchors, he simply matches speed! He might have got away with staying at speed then slowing off just as he gets behind the lorry in front - not ideal but it could've worked.
The lorry driver might have seen the car in his door mirror - but maybe assumed the car would pull in behind & not simply carry on & match his speed whilst sitting barely ahead of him.
The fact that the lorry driver must've noticed the car & didn't pull into lane 2 to avoid an accident suggests that there was something there preventing him from pulling over. Look at the initial frames of the video, there is a lorry in lane 2 overtaking the lorry ahead in lane 1. Note, also, how all the cars overtaking seem to be in lane 3 - which suggests there might be another lorry in lane 2, slowly overtaking.
As the lorry slows (about 50s) we see a lorry coming past in lane 3 - he possibly saw the front end of the car come out, along with the lorry's brake lights & took evasive action.
"this dramatic footage was released by smartwitness and meant that the lorry driver was cleared of all blame for the incident"
smartwitness seem to have no mention of this incident at all on there website so I'm not sure exactly where they supposedly released it, that said you should consider a company which sell equipment to help reduce insurance claims and bills may have a vested interest in claiming that the driver was 'cleared of blame'
The article states no claim was made against the driver, that's not to say the claim wasn't dealt with on a 50/50 basis and that the haulage firm May had to have foot the bill for any damage to the truck.
One article doesn't necessarily give the full facts, and take everything you read with a pinch of salt especially if the person saying is trying to make money from their claims
You've got to love an argument about something where all the facts are not known. The middle lane could have been clear or there could have been something preventing the lorry from moving over viewers don't know. All we can say is that the civic driver was lucky, very very lucky.
Simples!
HGV 1 Tit in a civic 0
Civic should have given way at the end of the slipway............ We don't know why the HGV didn't pull out but he's not legally obliged to, where as the civic is.
HGV 1 Tit in a civic 0
Civic should have given way at the end of the slipway............ We don't know why the HGV didn't pull out but he's not legally obliged to, where as the civic is.
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plenty of room! Saw this on yahoo the other day
I could have got in that space, eased off the throttle to allow my gap to open up (lorry driver would have then responded to his gap) And i would of then been able to open up the ponies and go to the next lane
ziggy
I could have got in that space, eased off the throttle to allow my gap to open up (lorry driver would have then responded to his gap) And i would of then been able to open up the ponies and go to the next lane
ziggy
We've seen what you call a gap Ziggy....
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We've seen what you call a gap Ziggy....
the lorry did have his 2sec, i was more like 1 to 3, at point of problem i was at 1
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Maybe this is where you're going wrong....I'd guess that that truck has around a 0.5 - 0.75 second gap and you think it's 2 seconds....
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Maybe this is where you're going wrong....I'd guess that that truck has around a 0.5 - 0.75 second gap and you think it's 2 seconds....
im remembering the video from yesturday, i cant remember exactly
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