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At the moment people in Scotland are being told what to do by the UK.
Just a thought.
Alan
As are the people of Devon, Cornwall, Yorkshire and anywhere else in UK. Just saying.
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Off Topic The cost, to my hobby, of leaving the EU.
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Off Topic The cost, to my hobby, of leaving the EU.
As are the people of Devon, Cornwall, Yorkshire and anywhere else in UK. Just saying.
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Hi chris ,
that means i can say what i think also "I was tired of hearing the UK moaning about the EU".
I am English but i consider myself as a European looking for an easy retirement and peace.
I hope the UK made the right decision even though it was not a Landslide victory.
Scotland only want "Scout"(Scotland OUT as the UK wanted "Brexit" which is their right.
Well different ideas and why not we don't need to think the same.
Take care
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Blair created the break-away parliaments so he could look like he was devolving power to the masses. In reality was hoping to divide and rule. He opened Pandora's Box then erked off to make millions on the posh dinner speaking circuit.
don't matter how many times you repeat it it wont make it true you have already been told you are talking ********.
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Oh, just 8£ is it? In Denmark we get the joy of paying close to 19£ for the same!
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don't matter how many times you repeat it it wont make it true you have already been told you are talking ********.
Tony Blair definitely believes that if you repeat something often enough, it becomes true.....in fact, we waged a war based on that tenet.
Tony Blair definitely believes that if you repeat something often enough, it becomes true.....in fact, we waged a war based on that tenet.
there is more on this in the grumpy thread in LL
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Tony Blair definitely believes that if you repeat something often enough, it becomes true.....in fact, we waged a war based on that tenet.
lets try....
everyone repeat the following each night before bed....
Later Fiat 500 parts will fit a pre 1960 fiat 500
A Porsche engine will slot straight in to a VW Beetle
If i buy more lottery tickets I will win the Lottery
If I keep betting at a casino eventually I will break the bank
One day a UK Government will care about UK Citizens
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I hope the EU won't start treating unfairly the UK to show its members it's not convenient leaving the Union
I think the EU should be a little less worried of other countries leaving
now that in Italy (a weak link) we have a really european PM (Draghi)
The way I see it this should improve relationships between the UK and EU
but politics can get complex
I think the EU should be a little less worried of other countries leaving
now that in Italy (a weak link) we have a really european PM (Draghi)
The way I see it this should improve relationships between the UK and EU
but politics can get complex
If you have 26/27 ducks of different nationalities and temperaments then to get them to move together as a herd then you can not go faster than the slowest, most recalcitrant, most ..... of the so called "Union" ducks.
That is the fundamental problem with the EU. Whereas in the days off the EEC there was harmony, good trade, etc. but each Nation kept their fundamentals of democracy, sovereignty, self jurisdiction and future path.
In the EEC days we had cross Europe free trade with little if no politics. Now it is all politics and "top dog" posturing.
The EU wants to put a brave face on their unity but by now the EU should have kicked Italy out and never allowed Greece in. Italy is (last time I checked) breaking many so called EU regulations/restrictions with their energy and other transactions with Russia.
I don't blame all these EU countries trying to cut their best deals both within and outside of the EU. They were and would still be doing this were they not in the EU. Truth be known each, any, and every one of the EU countries is playing behind their closed doors yet in public falsely showing a scam united front.
The UK leaving the EU has really shaken them to the core and other EU countries (not France and not Germany) are behind closed doors really evaluating their future options!
What has made our UK negotiations so difficult is that shared border with North and South Ireland. No other EU country has this challenging and dare I say dangerous and volatile bridge to manage. Were in not for the Ireland of Islands difficulties the UK could have really given the EU a bloody good fight.
Now we have (as far as other EU countries thinking of jumping ship) set a worst case scenario with various trade/other deals. If these work out for the UK then the other bolshy EU countries will certainly be thinking really hard about jumping ship as well. And they have that UK card to play. We will deal with you the UK as we see fit and at the same time say to the rest of the EU ...."You gave all these dots and deals to the UK so you have to do the same for us"!
Politics is a very messy business.
The EU are already pissed of that we did not join the EU Covid vaccine strategy and they all had to wait for all the ducks to agree and tow the line moving no faster than the slowest duck and bounded by when all the duck wardens could get together to agree.
Interesting times, politics, and personal views from all people, camps and countries. Time will tell if the UK leaving the EU was the right decision but EVERYONE has to understand and appreciate that with difficult decisions comes pain, frustration, doubts etc. but as they say "time will tell" and personally I'll take the pain and doubt for what I'm pretty sure will be a better and more independent future.
Was it not both Cameron? and Blair PMs? who tried to negotiate a more flexibly, tolerable, ...... EU and were both told to get stuffed.
That is the fundamental problem with the EU. Whereas in the days off the EEC there was harmony, good trade, etc. but each Nation kept their fundamentals of democracy, sovereignty, self jurisdiction and future path.
In the EEC days we had cross Europe free trade with little if no politics. Now it is all politics and "top dog" posturing.
The EU wants to put a brave face on their unity but by now the EU should have kicked Italy out and never allowed Greece in. Italy is (last time I checked) breaking many so called EU regulations/restrictions with their energy and other transactions with Russia.
I don't blame all these EU countries trying to cut their best deals both within and outside of the EU. They were and would still be doing this were they not in the EU. Truth be known each, any, and every one of the EU countries is playing behind their closed doors yet in public falsely showing a scam united front.
The UK leaving the EU has really shaken them to the core and other EU countries (not France and not Germany) are behind closed doors really evaluating their future options!
What has made our UK negotiations so difficult is that shared border with North and South Ireland. No other EU country has this challenging and dare I say dangerous and volatile bridge to manage. Were in not for the Ireland of Islands difficulties the UK could have really given the EU a bloody good fight.
Now we have (as far as other EU countries thinking of jumping ship) set a worst case scenario with various trade/other deals. If these work out for the UK then the other bolshy EU countries will certainly be thinking really hard about jumping ship as well. And they have that UK card to play. We will deal with you the UK as we see fit and at the same time say to the rest of the EU ...."You gave all these dots and deals to the UK so you have to do the same for us"!
Politics is a very messy business.
The EU are already pissed of that we did not join the EU Covid vaccine strategy and they all had to wait for all the ducks to agree and tow the line moving no faster than the slowest duck and bounded by when all the duck wardens could get together to agree.
Interesting times, politics, and personal views from all people, camps and countries. Time will tell if the UK leaving the EU was the right decision but EVERYONE has to understand and appreciate that with difficult decisions comes pain, frustration, doubts etc. but as they say "time will tell" and personally I'll take the pain and doubt for what I'm pretty sure will be a better and more independent future.
Was it not both Cameron? and Blair PMs? who tried to negotiate a more flexibly, tolerable, ...... EU and were both told to get stuffed.
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On the original VAT issue.
A EU (or ROW) seller should NOT charge local sales tax on n item sent to the UK.
For non-online sales VAT should be collected on entry like it used to be from outside EU, but the exemtion lint (£32 IIRC) has been removed.
However in a law unrelated to Brexit, but based on a EU directive, the E-Commerce Act, any non UK supplier selling on-line into the UK has to register for UK VAT, collect it and send it to HMRC. Even worse, there is no turnover or transaction threshold. If sold through an online marketplace like ebay or Amazon they do the collection.
How this will be enforced I've no idea. I can see EU sellers having a "export surcharge" the same as their local sales tax. If the paperwork isn't done right its possible that you could end u paying the same as EU VAT, the seller collecting UK VAT and the courier collecting UK VAT plus fees.
A lot of sellers, EU and ROW are just deciding not to sell to the UK. Annoying if they were just cheaper, but a lot worse if they have a unique product.
Robert G8RPI.
A EU (or ROW) seller should NOT charge local sales tax on n item sent to the UK.
For non-online sales VAT should be collected on entry like it used to be from outside EU, but the exemtion lint (£32 IIRC) has been removed.
However in a law unrelated to Brexit, but based on a EU directive, the E-Commerce Act, any non UK supplier selling on-line into the UK has to register for UK VAT, collect it and send it to HMRC. Even worse, there is no turnover or transaction threshold. If sold through an online marketplace like ebay or Amazon they do the collection.
How this will be enforced I've no idea. I can see EU sellers having a "export surcharge" the same as their local sales tax. If the paperwork isn't done right its possible that you could end u paying the same as EU VAT, the seller collecting UK VAT and the courier collecting UK VAT plus fees.
A lot of sellers, EU and ROW are just deciding not to sell to the UK. Annoying if they were just cheaper, but a lot worse if they have a unique product.
Robert G8RPI.
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My friends in Italy said that there s no way the Italians would be allowed a Vote to leave thE EU... they passed some motion years ago that effectively prevent any such vote taking place.....
The government at the time released that if the people could force such a vote they would most likely vote to leave....
I think it may have had something to do with the building of a Nuclear Power station by France a few miles from the Italian boarder.....
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I am in discussions to open a UK office for a well known Italian parts supplier....
So s it worth it??
you would still order via the Italian website but shipped or collected from a UK base....
the saving would be made by shipping to the UK in bulk at cost thus lowering the amount paid in VAT when imported... and obviously only one collection fee...
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Surely to make it worthwhile shipping from Europe through a 3rd party, a fair sized stock would have to be maintained in order that people can have what they want, when they want it. I have just done 2 orders to EU companies and as far as I can understand it---if the order (including carriage AND LOCAL TAX) is under £135, the supplier charges the local tax and just posts the goods to you. If the order is OVER £135, then the supplier does NOT charge the local tax, and it goes through the UK's customs system and one gets charged UK VAT, a small 'duty' and a £12 handling fee.
This seems fairly straight-forward UNTIL the parts you are ordering come originally from outside the EU and then the whole system gets complicated--very complicated!
This seems fairly straight-forward UNTIL the parts you are ordering come originally from outside the EU and then the whole system gets complicated--very complicated!
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I placed an order for a wall chart/poster in UK.
Poster sent on Monday 15th Feb and arrived here in Brittany France Friday 19th Feb no problem.
No extra charges and well pleased.
Parcelforce UK working with French Post top service.
Alan
Poster sent on Monday 15th Feb and arrived here in Brittany France Friday 19th Feb no problem.
No extra charges and well pleased
.Parcelforce UK working with French Post top service.
Alan
I don't think (sorry if I'm wrong) anyone posted this government document on "Tax and Customs for goods sent from abroad".
https://www.gov.uk/goods-sent-from-abroad/tax-and-duty
It is quite clear on what the rules are.
Also includes the forms to claim back if you are incorrectly over charged.
I'll certainly admit that things could get complicated if the sender gets it wrong.
From our side if buying stuff from abroad then ensure you place multiple orders several days (say a week or) apart so that no one order exceeds £139 and gets shipped separately. Could be tricky on some larger car parts like struts that come in pairs. For anything that is going to be over £139 then one is probably better off by sourcing directly from a UK company.
Another thing that will play out in time is the £139 limit value. This is almost certainly going to go up.
I remember 10+ years ago when the personal import for goods bought abroad (non EU) was £75 per person. It is now £390.
https://www.gov.uk/duty-free-goods/arriving-in-Great-Britain
https://www.gov.uk/goods-sent-from-abroad/tax-and-duty
It is quite clear on what the rules are.
Also includes the forms to claim back if you are incorrectly over charged.
I'll certainly admit that things could get complicated if the sender gets it wrong.
From our side if buying stuff from abroad then ensure you place multiple orders several days (say a week or) apart so that no one order exceeds £139 and gets shipped separately. Could be tricky on some larger car parts like struts that come in pairs. For anything that is going to be over £139 then one is probably better off by sourcing directly from a UK company.
Another thing that will play out in time is the £139 limit value. This is almost certainly going to go up.
I remember 10+ years ago when the personal import for goods bought abroad (non EU) was £75 per person. It is now £390.
https://www.gov.uk/duty-free-goods/arriving-in-Great-Britain
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that's personal allowance if you bring them in....
you would have to travel to get them... unless you could have them delivered to someone at Calais and nip over on a SUN £10 day trip ticket...
That is clearly incorrect. No suppler in EU exporting to UK in any way should be charging local VAT. If you are buying on thr internet but not through ebay Amazon or similar market place then the suppler is supposed to be registered with HMRC for UK VAT, charge UK VAT and sen it to HMRC. If through ebay etc thay re supposed to collect UK VAT. If not online or seller not registered for UK VAT it shoulld be collected at entry to UK, normally by the delivery company. There is no lower threshold for VAT on imports. The £135 is the threshold for DUTY on most items.
Robert G8RPI.
Yes you are correct. What I was saying is that 10 years ago personal tax free whilst travelling limits were at £75 (or there about) Now 10 years on the limit is £390. So as time goes buy limits get raised. With that in mind I was speculating that the current £139 for purchased goods imported (not carried as personal allowances) will no doubt be increased. When and by how much is another matter but the £139 is not going to be set in concrete for the next 100 or 1000 years.
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The attachment that s130 (apologies for not knowing your name) explained as to why I had 2 differing types of invoice. The invoice from a 'well known German company' was for only 68 Euro (including carriage) so they added their vat at 16%--I paid nothing to the carrier. My next or order was to an Italian company for 250 Euro (parts and carriage). They did NOT charge VAT and I had to pay the carrier (Parcel-force) duty, VAT and a 'handling fee'---exactly as per s130's attachment.
