Technical SuperCharged Panda

[cryptixabarth]

Has anyone had dealings with this company? jcr racing have seen they do a supercharged version of the 500, but i got in contact with them today and this is what i have gained from this

Most of the stuff is similar to the 500
just would need a new air intake

Getting to the nust and bolts of it could this be correct, or what about fitting the 500 abarth engine in the panda
(Apologies if this is not clear)

 

[trackdayqueen]

How much is it?

Buying and putting an abarth engine in a panda is also going to be expensive. Will the 6 speed be suitable bearing in mind the abarth has a beefier 5 speed.

I think you will struggle to put the power down without an LSD, particularly so given the 100hp's penchant for lifting an inside wheel whilst cornering. So you may well need to factor that in to the costs.

 

[cryptixabarth]

Dunno the price,

True I think that the gearbox may need to be looked at if not replaced with an abarth one,

I dunno if the 500 has an lsd as standard or not but fitting one would be sensible still it depends on the amount of money you throw at it.
Im more interested in the theory rather then putting it into practice at the moment. Im not usaually for FI prefer NA, but i iam surprised that FIAT havent gone down this route for the New Panda

 

[DavePanda100]

The supercharger is £2500 IIRC from an earlier thread I did on the same subject.

500 Abarth engine in a Panda, why not just get a 500 Abarth instead?

 

[306maxi]

The supercharger is £2500 IIRC from an earlier thread I did on the same subject.

500 Abarth engine in a Panda, why not just get a 500 Abarth instead?

Yes, it'll be loads cheaper to insure.

 

[cryptixabarth]

Its a fair point
If you wanted to keep the panda due to the dimensions or look but would be looking to upgrade the powerplant.
The trouble with N/A on a engine is that any modifications on the engine would only produce a minimal increase in power, Where as if your engine was FI minimal modifications and tweeks could yeild lots more
Again this is all in theory but i wouldnt mind the pandas 0 - 60 time to be quicker

 

[306maxi]

Its a fair point
If you wanted to keep the panda due to the dimensions or look but would be looking to upgrade the powerplant.
The trouble with N/A on a engine is that any modifications on the engine would only produce a minimal increase in power, Where as if your engine was FI minimal modifications and tweeks could yeild lots more
Again this is all in theory but i wouldnt mind the pandas 0 - 60 time to be quicker

FI induction is great, I love driving the wifes Subaru purely because of the engine but I think with FI 4wd is always a good help, FWD and a turbo/supercharger will usually mean expensive tyre bills unless the car has some sort of TC built in. If it were me I'd go down the route of making the car handle a little better and 100hp will be more than enough

 

[ScoobyChris]

If it were me I'd go down the route of making the car handle a little better and 100hp will be more than enough

Although if you were to sort out the handling, the car could then handle more than the current 100bhp

Chris

 

[306maxi]

Although if you were to sort out the handling, the car could then handle more than the current 100bhp

Chris

Then you'll need to look at your drivetrain as well. Then brakes, then this and then that Just keep it standard I say

 

[HP]

Does anyone have anything to suggest the six speeder isn't strong enough?

Might just be cheaper to fit a five speeder - might fit the spread of torque better too.

 

[KozmoNaut]

Does anyone have anything to suggest the six speeder isn't strong enough?

Might just be cheaper to fit a five speeder - might fit the spread of torque better too.

Grab the 5-speed from the Abarth 500?

Hmm... I wonder if the beefed up Abarth 5-speed gearbox would fit the Multijet engine. It would certainly open up the door for some easy power increases limited today by the weak clutch.

 

[trackdayqueen]

Grab the 5-speed from the Abarth 500?

Hmm... I wonder if the beefed up Abarth 5-speed gearbox would fit the Multijet engine. It would certainly open up the door for some easy power increases limited today by the weak clutch.

Maybe, but putting a gearbox with ratios designed for a higher revving petrol engine is unlikely to suit a low revving oil burner.

 

[306maxi]

Maybe, but putting a gearbox with ratios designed for a higher revving petrol engine is unlikely to suit a low revving oil burner.

Yeah but the Panda might then do about 300mph though it will take a good hour to get there with gearing that high

 

[trackdayqueen]

Yeah but the Panda might then do about 300mph though it will take a good hour to get there with gearing that high

It's more likely to be the other way round given a dismal engine can't rev as high as a petrol so you won't be able to go as fast in each gear if you've got say 2000rpm less to use!

 

[KozmoNaut]

Maybe, but putting a gearbox with ratios designed for a higher revving petrol engine is unlikely to suit a low revving oil burner.

I think the gearbox used for the Multijet is the same one as one the 1.2, just with a different ratio in the final drive?

 

[306maxi]

It's more likely to be the other way round given a dismal engine can't rev as high as a petrol so you won't be able to go as fast in each gear if you've got say 2000rpm less to use!

I was confused. Thought it was the other way round, diesel box on a petrol engine. Doh!

 

[trackdayqueen]

I think the gearbox used for the Multijet is the same one as one the 1.2, just with a different ratio in the final drive?

If that's the case it's different then, so you'd need to mess around with changing the final drive at least. I guess changing the final drive is teh easy way to shorten or lengthen the ratios comparitively to each other.

 

[cryptixabarth]

I would imagine the clutch to be much stronger for the mj compaired to petrol mainly due to the torque that the diesel produces

 

[KozmoNaut]

I would imagine the clutch to be much stronger for the mj compaired to petrol mainly due to the torque that the diesel produces

Unfortunately it isn't, which is the reason the MJ is detuned to 145nm instead of the 190nm it has in the standard tune on the Grande Punto etc.

The Abarth 500 Esseesse develops ~290nm peak torque leading me to conclude that it's got a much better clutch. Unfortunately, it probably only bolts onto the 1.4 engines.

 

[cryptixabarth]

Unfortunately it isn't, which is the reason the MJ is detuned to 145nm instead of the 190nm it has in the standard tune on the Grande Punto etc.

The Abarth 500 Esseesse develops ~290nm peak torque leading me to conclude that it's got a much better clutch. Unfortunately, it probably only bolts onto the 1.4 engines.

Yeah it sounds a better clutch, you could give it a try it proberly might fit, have heard a rumor that manufacturers in order to save costs use the same components over models, so there may be a chance it my fit