sub and amp, 1 rca?

[dan2490]

hi, i have a mk2 fiat punto and needed some help with my sound system. currently i have a pioneer head unit which my pioneer door speakers and inphase rear speakers are attatched to and i have a 500w amp running off my head unit which my 450w juice 6x9s are attatched to. recently i have bought a 1000w juice 8" sub enclosure which has a built in amp. problem is that my head unit has only one pre-out, where do i go from here with regards to fitting the sub? will i need a new head unit with more pre-outs?

 

[punto_matt]

Throw away the 6x9s and the amp as the sub will kill them and they are shiite

 

[slammed500]

use a set of phono splitters at the head unit end and run a second phono cable
job done

 

[punto_matt]

But then you loose sound quality and if you are loosing sound quality with the speakers that are in there then you are screwed.

 

[MickeyBravo]

use a set of phono splitters at the head unit end and run a second phono cable
job done

was thinkin that myself...or just go the usual/common way and un-amp ya 6x9's,wire them to the head unit and amp up ya sub..

 

[slammed500]

But then you loose sound quality and if you are loosing sound quality with the speakers that are in there then you are screwed.

how will you loose sound its a low out put being split and then put into an amp that is higher powered than the o.e out put of the head unit

yes not ideal but better than your of hand quote of throw the 6x9 and amp away as they were rubbish

after all he was asking how to fit the second amp ????????????

why all the negative posts in the ice section, makes me want to aviod this part of the forum

 

[punto_matt]

Because 6x9's are crap and if they are sharing the same air space as the sub then they will get killed. We arent negative we are just trying to get people to not waste there money on crap audio. If you take that as a negative approach then well not much can be done about it really.

 

[slammed500]

i read in to the post that the lad/lass already has the stuff and wants to know how to fit it , taking into account there is only 1 pre out.

you said bin it it was rubbishis a negative not an answer !!
and as for the sub killing the 6x9 thats the rubbish statement(its only a 8"sub) , yes in an extreme system yes but in a low power every day system like they have never in a month of sundays will that sub shut down a set of speakers in the large area of a boot space

just finding it hard to se why people come on to a forum and be negative instead of helping regardless of our views of what is or is not a good system?????
help not hinder the progress of the inexperianced and let them learn what is good what is not so good
some people like the mid bass from a 6x9 over the tinniness of comp as they may listen to more than d&b and m.o.s ****e that masqueraides as music
p.s this is a light hearted reply that is my view from years of experiance of being old

 

[mirafioriman]

I can see both sides of this discussion. However, if you want to get the best out of this setup then the 6x9s should go. The sub will be much more effective in adding quality than the 6x9s will be. They dont have to be thrown away, put them on ebay and use the cash to buy something else. Basically you just want good front components and a sub speakerwise. Rear speakers do very little other than allow back seat passengers to hear the music when it is not turned up loud.

 

[volxstu]

some people like the mid bass from a 6x9 over the tinniness of comp

You have hit the nail on the Head there. People on here dont like this fact that some people like to choose the crap quality mid bass from a pair of 6x9's than than the tinny sound of cheap comps. Why not spend the little bit extra on a decent pair of comps (which you dont have the option with 6x9's) and get good mid bass with a non tinny sound. Also i believe that the tinny sound will come from poor set up and bad capacitance within the x-over.

 

[Punto Sam]

so what comp speakers do you recommend then? Maybe some links to some good ones would be helpful.
Im running some Vibe 6x9's at the mo (was running a 12" sub but bored of the over powering bass so thats gone)
Im now thinkin of going with 6.5" comps but how much do I need to spend to get a good set? Have to be bassy really or I might aswell keep my 6x9's.

 

[volxstu]

If you amp up a decent set of comps you will get plenty of mid bass and treble to compliment the sub i have recomended some decent ones in your other thread some of them can be had cheaper else where or have a look on Caraudiosecurity and caraudiodirect pick some out in your price range to give us an idea then we can discuss things further.

 

[mirafioriman]

The sub does not have top be overpowering, set it up so it sounds good by adjusting it up and down to an appropriate level. If you are trying to achieve good sound quality, you want good quality front components which are well mounted and therefore produce most of the bass up front. The sub then just adds some bottom end and extra warmth to the sound. When I listened to a well respected Pioneer vehicle which has done well in many competitions I was suprised just how little work the subs did!

 

[volxstu]

I think most of his problem is in the setup TBH as you said. Lack of knowledge is a major hindrance in a car sound system (which is something that still gets us all) I would suggest doing some research theres loads of info out there before buying anything.

 

[slammed500]

the big problem is most people think the gain on an amp is a volume button

easy set up is turn off the sub(remove phonos ) turn up the rest of the system to the point of distortion then back it down til its a clear sound
then reconnect the sub and dial it in
that way your sub will follow the sound of the rest of the system with out over powering the rest

this is the simply version of what can be a drawn out process
remember to try different types of music so you also get a balanced sound thro' out your full music collection

 

[volxstu]

the big problem is most people think the gain on an amp is a volume button

easy set up is turn off the sub(remove phonos ) turn up the rest of the system to the point of distortion then back it down til its a clear sound
then reconnect the sub and dial it in
that way your sub will follow the sound of the rest of the system with out over powering the rest

this is the simply version of what can be a drawn out process
remember to try different types of music so you also get a balanced sound thro' out your full music collection

Now days you are never far away from a Scope if you are not experienced at listening for the difference between sound and noise then it would be a safe bet to use one.
This will show you the squaring of waves in visual form so you can see when the wave is a smooth curve so then there is no chance of clip whatsoever.