Technical Strut Replacement Mistake

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Technical Strut Replacement Mistake

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After replacing one of the struts on my 500, I realized that I forgot the washer that sits under the nut that holds together the strut on top of the strut mount. Do I need to uninstall the strut, compress the springs again, and install the washer or can I take the top nut off in place considering the strut is secure and compressed by the load of the car itself?
 
If you mean the nut that you can see from under the bonnet (that keeps the damper attached to the turret) then you should be able to remove it with the car's weight on its wheels. The weight of the car will hold the damper pressed against the turret, so it won't move.

As you unscrew the nut, it should rise up the thread of the damper rod (so you'll see fresh air under the nut). If the damper rod "moves" downwards so the nut remains in contact with the turret then that means when the nut comes off the end, something is going to drop off on the other side..

But dampers aren't normally complicated.. the threaded part of the rod pokes through the turret and the nut (and any washers) screws onto it.


Ralf S.
 
Now that I have some terminology under my belt, I can explain a little better. @John202020 likely answered by question. I don’t mean the top of the turret where the first nut is removed along with the damper allowing the strut to be removed. I meant the nut below the damper with a nut holding the strut together from the strut mount which consists of the spring cup and the bearings. The original had a nut and washer but the replacement was a locking nut. I’m guessing the strut should be removed, the springs should be compressed again, and thr washer should be added or the included lock nut should be used instead.
 
Ok, so we are NOT talking about the nylock nut which you can see if you open the bonnet and look at the top of the damper rod? This is the nut which you remove to allow the strut to be removed from the vehicle and does not retain the spring itself. If you've removed the strut from the vehicle the nut you can now see on the damper rod is a rather larger nut and is not a nylock type. It also has a small lip on it's underside which helps to centre the bearing in the rubber top mount with the damper rod. I guess it's this nut you are concerned about?

There was no washer involved with this nut on either my boy's Punto or my Panda, indeed I would think a washer would interfere with the little lip of the nut fitting the top mount bearing?

As regards slackening this second, larger, nut without compressing the spring? Hmm? Well, thinking about it, the weight of the vehicle is being transferred from the vehicle body to the top mount and through it's bearing to the top spring retaining plate. This is tending to compress the spring as it bears against the bottom spring pan (part of the strut). Soo, as long as the vehicle is on level ground and you're not jacking it up at all, you probably could remove both nuts and "get away with it" However I wouldn't! A lifetime of working with vehicle springs has instilled a very, very healthy respect for them in me. Of course if the now unrestrained damper rod disappears down through the top mount while you've got the nuts off that's going to be real "fun" trying to get it back through the hole with an uncontrolled spring sitting there just waiting to "bite" you!

So, although you probably could do it, I wouldn't. And anyway, I don't think there's a washer under that big nut anyway? This "How to" video doesn't seem to show one: - I know it's a Panda but the 500 is the same isn't it?
 
If it's any help this is the 27mm nut on our old strut, I reused the nut as the Nylock is for the top
 

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I’m replacing the other side tonight. I’ll see if I can take some photos and check to see if the other side has the washer. Mine doesn’t have a 27mm. It was far smaller. I wonder if Euro spec is different than US in that way.
 
I’m replacing the other side tonight. I’ll see if I can take some photos and check to see if the other side has the washer. Mine doesn’t have a 27mm. It was far smaller. I wonder if Euro spec is different than US in that way.
Hmm. (thinking). If a substantially smaller nut has been used it would make sense to have a larger washer under it to spread the load, wouldn't it? I find myself wondering if it's been in pieces before and someone lost the correct nut - which is very much a dedicated fitting - and reassembled it with an "ordinary" nut and washer? It's going to be very interesting to see what you find when you dismantle the other one. Please do keep us informed, I'm biting my nails in anticipation!
 
I disassembled the other side and I did forget a washer. The nut holding the strut together at the top is an 18mm. Of course now that I’ve replaced the struts and rear shocks, I have another issue. Not sure if this should be a separate thread but now when I’m driving I get a rhythmic thud that is consistent with speed from under the vehicle. I can’t pinpoint where it’s coming from. Everything is tight and when I jack the car up and spin the wheels individually, there is no noise. This little car just can’t let me have a victory. Lol
 

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I disassembled the other side and I did forget a washer. The nut holding the strut together at the top is an 18mm. Of course now that I’ve replaced the struts and rear shocks, I have another issue. Not sure if this should be a separate thread but now when I’m driving I get a rhythmic thud that is consistent with speed from under the vehicle. I can’t pinpoint where it’s coming from. Everything is tight and when I jack the car up and spin the wheels individually, there is no noise. This little car just can’t let me have a victory. Lol
Does it seem to be coming from the front or back, N/S or O/S? Is it in synch with the wheel speed? Any way you could post a sound file here to us so we can get some idea what it sounds like?
 
So on our older car the top rubber "bearing" is a different shape yours must be an updated design ours had no washer or plate but the bigger nut pressed directly on the top mount face, is the hole in the body large enough that the metal top plate doesn't come in contact with the metal of the car as it seems higher than the rubber face?
 
That just made me think because I've heard the same sort of thing due to a bulge in the tread of a damaged tyre - and I think "thud" is quite a good description of how it sounds.
I no longer have the pic but on the 500 I had a tyre that was totally bald on 180 deg. The other half had tread, clearly the tyre suffered some sort of failure but not to the extent of catastrophic failure in use, new steel rims and tyres it was 4 brand new rims were only £120
 
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