Technical Selespeed - pump problem?

[blazingmo23]

Hi guys, need some advice please:bang:
Ive got a 2003 stilo abarth selespeed and im having some massive gearbox problems, the cars done 42000 miles, what happens is car constantly flashes gearbox failure message on dash, gearbox is very jearky changing up in automatic and in manual mode, when driving at times the gearbox flashes the error message and the locks in gear, i.e was on the motorway the other night car locked itself in 5th and would not change down, so when i slowed down to stop car changed itself into neutral and then in manual and then would not let me select gear for bout 5 mins, ive changed the gearbox mount about 4000 miles ago, but there is still judder at times when pulling away, please need some advice, do i need a new cluch, i have heard of selespeed pumps issues any ideas much appreciated, i have had loads of good info off here, great website.

thanks guys:slayer:

 

[dan-the-man]

right i had same problem, mine was selespeed pump sticking, i'd get it sorted as soon as possible, get the fault code read, i left mine too late after the car gave me warnings and it went completley.

It may be another fault but the car selecting neutral is a failsafe, so it can be towed.

when you open the drivers door and the selespeed pump primes does it make the normal noise or does it make a strange one or nothing at all?

If it is selespeed pump expect a decent size bill, I was quoted £650, but expect anywhere between £500-£700 if it is that fault

 

[blazingmo23]

thanks for the reply, it does make that noise at times when i open the door, then sometimes it doesnt, so when i start the car it does not select gear, so i gotto switch it off and restart it and open the door a couple of times, then its ok, did you get that quote from a main dealer, but did your car, change gear very jearky

 

[dan-the-man]

my car started to change gear very jerky before it went completley.

Quote was from main dealer.

I only paid £230 labour charge because car was just out of warranty and had only done 27k miles, goodwill gesture by FIAT.

all the pump does is build up pressure in the selespeed system so it can make gear changes, when the pressure drops it will make that "whirring" noise so it won't do it all the time, only when pressure drops.

I believe it can only be done by a FIAT or Alfa main dealer as a normal garage probably hasn't come across a selespeed before and wouldn't know how to do it or wouldn't want to attempt it.

First thing I would do is get FIAT to read the fault code and get it done asap!

 

[jmhv]

I also got this model (52 plate) and she's stuck in 5th Gear my local Fiat garage cannot reset it, and are awaiting news from Fiat themselves! Te computer is trying to move the gear but to no effect! I am now contemplating a new gearbox at £1800!
Frustrating time!

 

[dan-the-man]

i doubt you'd need a new gearbox

 

[jmhv]

Thanks Dan. I had a word with the garage who said that they would do that yesterday, but still no news so far, so I keep fingers crossed and everything else. I'll let you know what is what when it's done.
Cheers,
JM

 

[jmhv]

Hi All,

Gearbox has been repaired. basically the 5th gear pin was broken and subsequently distroyed within the gears. The garage were able to change it but had to take the whole engine and gearbox out. The actuator? got broken in the process which costed the bulk of the money. Anyway, it all got repaired after about 10 days and was working very well, however, my confidence in the car went, so...
I've part exchanged it for a new Bravo 1.9 Dynamic (150 TJet though!). Double my MPG average whilst lowering my road licence, insurance and visits to the petrol station and hopefully to the garage too! Hehe...

 

[T14086]

nice car the bravo,post up a pic or two

 

[wsty]

Selespeed Clutch/Pump

Bit of a story to this so bare with me, woke up last wednesday to no gears at all. Took to local Fiat garage to be told needs new hydarulic pump for selespeed. Picked up car saturday after new pump was fitted was then told clutch was on way out (500/1000 miles left) also, clutch was adjusted to highest level but was driveable. Booked in for work to be carried out this week.
Drove home, and low and behold sunday morning no gears again, no sound of pump initiating when door opened and found selespeed fluid reservoir completely empty.
My questions are would the clutch going cause the selespeed fluid to disappear/leak?? And why through all of this would i not get a single warning on the dash about any of this?? No auto gearbox warning at all!!

Not too impressed either as had new clutch only 2 years ago and only done 20,000 miles!!

 

[d34noj]

Re: Selespeed Clutch/Pump

Bit of a story to this so bare with me, woke up last wednesday to no gears at all. Took to local Fiat garage to be told needs new hydarulic pump for selespeed. Picked up car saturday after new pump was fitted was then told clutch was on way out (500/1000 miles left) also, clutch was adjusted to highest level but was driveable. Booked in for work to be carried out this week.
Drove home, and low and behold sunday morning no gears again, no sound of pump initiating when door opened and found selespeed fluid reservoir completely empty.
My questions are would the clutch going cause the selespeed fluid to disappear/leak?? And why through all of this would i not get a single warning on the dash about any of this?? No auto gearbox warning at all!!

Not too impressed either as had new clutch only 2 years ago and only done 20,000 miles!!

How much did the new pump fitted cost fitted if you dont mind me asking? my gearbox has stopped working too, and it MIGHT be that (not sure though - hope not...)

 

[Greggers]

Re: Selespeed Clutch/Pump

Bit of a story to this so bare with me, woke up last wednesday to no gears at all. Took to local Fiat garage to be told needs new hydarulic pump for selespeed. Picked up car saturday after new pump was fitted was then told clutch was on way out (500/1000 miles left) also, clutch was adjusted to highest level but was driveable. Booked in for work to be carried out this week.
Drove home, and low and behold sunday morning no gears again, no sound of pump initiating when door opened and found selespeed fluid reservoir completely empty.
My questions are would the clutch going cause the selespeed fluid to disappear/leak?? And why through all of this would i not get a single warning on the dash about any of this?? No auto gearbox warning at all!!

Not too impressed either as had new clutch only 2 years ago and only done 20,000 miles!!

As I understand it (with my limited knowledge!) the clutch is pretty much a standard manual clutch but with electro-hydraulic intervention on the actuation of the clutch plate. In theory, there is no way that the clutch wearing out can have any effect on the hydraulic system surrounding it.

If your selespeed fluid resevoir is empty following their work carried out on the hydraulic pump, then I would suspect that you have a leak. Do you know if the resevoir was empty before the replacement pump was installed? The pump might have been fine but you just didn't have any hydraulic fluid in the system, in which case, you've had an expensive new pump fitted for nothing... hopefully, that's not the case! Or, the pump had failed and now the replacement pump is pissing fluid everywhere because of poor installation or... they didn't fill the resevoir back up...

Sorry to hear that you're having problems with yours. I had trouble with mine but thankfully it was just a sensor

 

[dan-the-man]

Re: Selespeed Clutch/Pump

they replaced my pump and didn't fit the pipes back on properly which caused it to leak (luckily I found out and drove it back before it was empty).

is there a wet patch where the car was parked? take it back to them and ask them to fix it properly this time.

with regards to clutch, it doesn't need replacing, it wont wear in 20,000 miles.

A clutch has been off a Selespeed with 60k miles and there was plenty left on that.

they taking the mick, I would consider taking this to FIAT UK and asking why clutches only last 20k miles or why the dealer is lying to you?

 

[wsty]

Re: Selespeed Clutch/Pump

i paid £589 for the new pump fitted, not sure if good or not!!

car back in being repaired as we speak!!
the reservoir was full before it went in as was first thing i checked......so i can only assume pump was the problem!!
No admission yet as to whether there going to accept responsibility for this error........
I will contact Fiat UK to see what they have got to say on the clutch situation( dont expect much joy though)

 

[dan-the-man]

Re: Selespeed Clutch/Pump

I have always been dealt with very good from FIAT UK, they've paid for out of warranty jobs twice and are very quick at replying.

When you ring them up and ask they'll proably have to forward it to one of their techs.

£589 sound about right for pump (2 1/2 hours labour and parts)

 

[wsty]

Re: Selespeed Clutch/Pump

story gets better by the day!!
Had a phone call yesterday telling me they had found the problem and was a split pipe on the main selespeed reservoir unit and would need replacing at a cost of £219
My first response was how could this happen as was fine when brought into them and was obviously not noticed upon fitting of hydraulic pump and testing.
Concluding that it may possibly have been damaged by technician upon fitting new pump and reconnecting hydraulics was not overly impressed with being asked to pay to replace. Met with silence!!
Next response was well the pipe is brittle so easy to damage, still not really a proper answer to me.
They now apparently going to try and fix even though they were quite happy to have charged me £219!!!
awaiting phone call now to see what outcome could be?!?!

 

[dan-the-man]

Re: Selespeed Clutch/Pump

when I took mine back forthe pipe which wasn't on properly I told them "the pipe hasn't been connected properly and I have an AA report confirming this" so they fixed it washed it and drove it back to me at work

from what I can remember the pipe is rubber, so very difficult to break, not sure unless I have a look though.