General Seicento oil sump removal advice needed

[dx90]

I need to change the oil sump on my son's 2002 1.1 Sporting MPI.

The cat on this engine joins the rest of the exhaust just in front of the flexi pipe.
This means the part of the cat pipe will still be under the oil pan after disconnecting the rest of the exhaust.

Do I have to remove the exhaust manifold itself or will there still be enough room to take off the old sump and put the new one back on without damaging this oil pickup etc?

Thanks

 

[Pugglt Auld Jock]

I did Felicity's (1999 Panda Parade - fire engine, no cat, twin down pipes under engine) without removing anything but it was a bit fiddly. First attempt I rubbed off a big blob of sealant on the oil pickup and had to clean it and try again.

Unfortunately I bought a very cheap pattern replacement sump which wasn't a good fit so it leaked at the flange. I had to remove it about a week later, clean everything down and reinstall it with a thicker bead of sealant, it was OK after that but next one I do I'll be buying a sump from Shop4parts who have supplied me with very high quality components in the past.

My older boy's 8 valve Punto 1.4 has a very rusty sump which we've been needing to do something about for the last year - not actually leaking yet. His has a flanged joint in the exhaust right under the sump which has very rusted nuts (so rusty they don't even look like nuts). I've been expecting them to fail at any time. I think we'll just drop the exhaust which will make the sump job much easier to do and drill out the studs on the flange and put bolts in in their place, so "killing 2 birds" with the same "stone".

 

[dante giacosa]

Hey Jock!

I see we share the same town?!

How come I've never bumped into you!?

 

[Pugglt Auld Jock]

Hey Jock!

I see we share the same town?!

How come I've never bumped into you!?

Hi. Are you in the Trinity/Warriston/Leith general area?

 

[dante giacosa]

Hey Jock,

no, not now- but I used to be. Used to keep a red FIAT Coupe down there..

Did you used to have a black de-badged X-19, by any chance? I used to see one near Warriston...

I'm on the Southside now, at Morningside...

what's in your stable? You might be one of very few actual forum members I know up here!

 

[Pugglt Auld Jock]

Hey Jock,

no, not now- but I used to be. Used to keep a red FIAT Coupe down there..

Did you used to have a black de-badged X-19, by any chance? I used to see one near Warriston...

I'm on the Southside now, at Morningside...

what's in your stable? You might be one of very few actual forum members I know up here!

Hi Jim (it is Jim isn't it?) 'fraid I'm not the person you are thinking of, but don't hold that against me. Never owned a Fiat coupe either but have worked on quite a number of the older models - 500, 128, 131 Mirafiore, and several early Pandas (daughter learned to drive in a 750). Was intimately involved with the Filipinetti 128s and Auto Delta Alfas when I worked for Firestone's European Racing Division back in the late '60's/early 70's until they closed it down and went back to the US. I "came home" to Edinburgh in the late '70s

Morningside holds many happy memories as, back in the 60's when I was trying - with little success - to sow my wild oats, my best friend lived in Cluny Gardens. The two of us were often to be seen wobbling unsteadily down Morningside in that general direction after a good Friday and/or Saturday night out in Paddy's Bar (Rose Street) stopping for a pee and a top up at the Canny Mans, in passing, if we were early enough.

As regards my "stable" I look after 5 of the 6 cars in the family, currently an '07 Astra - '08 Jazz - '10 Panda Dynamic Eco (Mrs J's) - '12 Punto 1.4 Easy - '16 Ibiza ST (mine) - '17 Kia Rio. I don't look after the Rio as it's under their 7 year warranty still. Over the last few years I've been "rationalizing" my "toys". It all started around the time when I decided to let a fellow enthusiast buy our old '92 Panda (Felicity - the purple one in my avatar picture) I let my '67 Hillman Husky - Imp based version - go too at around that time. and the Mk1 125cc BSA Bantam went at the same time. I just sold my NSU Quickly a month or so ago so now I'm left with only my vintage horticultural machines - '50s cultivator, '50's lawn mower and several smaller devices. I probably should move them on too. I'm now in my early 70's and find working on the cars in winter a bit hard on these old bones but still love it when the warmer weather comes - I'm "time shifting" all the major service work to the summer months.

I've nearly always had a motor cycle of some sort (has to be old, "interesting" and preferably British though - the NSU was a momentary "lapse" - but it was interesting) and now I don't have one I'm missing it. Mrs J is very unhappy with the idea though - she says "at your age you won't bounce any more you're more likely to shatter" I fear she's probably correct! - as is often the case. Got 5 grandchildren now who I love dearly, all steps and stairs in age, probably need to spend more time with them now and less in the garage (which is still so full of "useful stuff" that you can hardly get into it!)

Kind regards
Jock