Just to be clear, good Sisley seats are only desireable if you want them for a Sisley, as Panda seats go they are no more comfortable than any of the others.
General Seat Panda Terra
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General Seat Panda Terra
^ i dont know.. i find mine an improvement over the standard SX cinq seats... the sporting ones had more leg support though...
still i find mine quite nice.
still i find mine quite nice.
I remember a Bianca I had which I was using to commute to Manchester (200 miles each way) fantastic fuel consumption but I could only just stand up when I arrived.
Not good seat.
Not good seat.
So while I'm about it.......
This MK1 is about to be a 4x4 I have a 1000cc engine 4x4 gearbox rear prop and back axle.
What I don't know is whether the suspension has been changed. So:
How do I tell the difference between 2 & 4wd front legs? (I know they are 2" longer but longer than what measurement)
Are the rear springs single or multi leaf.?
What is to stop me mounting the back axle under the spring instead of on top of it to gain ride height.?
Are 14" wheels rims worth the effort..?
Why didn't Chewbakka get a medal at the end of the first Star Wars movie.? Everyone else did... Should I complain to the RSPCA or the European court of human rights.
This MK1 is about to be a 4x4 I have a 1000cc engine 4x4 gearbox rear prop and back axle.
What I don't know is whether the suspension has been changed. So:
How do I tell the difference between 2 & 4wd front legs? (I know they are 2" longer but longer than what measurement)
Are the rear springs single or multi leaf.?
What is to stop me mounting the back axle under the spring instead of on top of it to gain ride height.?
Are 14" wheels rims worth the effort..?
Why didn't Chewbakka get a medal at the end of the first Star Wars movie.? Everyone else did... Should I complain to the RSPCA or the European court of human rights.
The legs? As in struts? It's the extended length also I believe the 2wd has 10mm bolts for the hub carrier and the 4x4 has 12mm bolts for the hub carrier - (needs citation...)
You probably don't have to change the suspension, only if you want the clearance.
The rear springs have 3 leaves, and as standard the axle is mounted under the spring. So you would have a massive drop if you mounted it ontop of the spring!
In general your limitations to lifting are drive and propshaft angles.
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I can confirm the above, 4x4 uses Bigger bolts to fit to the hub assy (M12 as opposed to M10, metric fine). I can measure a 4x4 strut today though and give you the body length later.
As NW says, axle is already mounted under the spring from standard. I have seen it recommended on here by one of our foreign friends, can't remember who but they were well up on this sort of thing, that you should only raise they back axle by 10mm max. due to propshaft angles.
I have 14" wheels on one of my 4x4's and in the recent snow it didn't feel as good as my Sisley with standard wheels and tyres. They can look better depending on what else has been done, and tyre choice is a factor.
Can't help with the last Question I'm afraid, I'm only a geek when it comes to Pandas.
As NW says, axle is already mounted under the spring from standard. I have seen it recommended on here by one of our foreign friends, can't remember who but they were well up on this sort of thing, that you should only raise they back axle by 10mm max. due to propshaft angles.
I have 14" wheels on one of my 4x4's and in the recent snow it didn't feel as good as my Sisley with standard wheels and tyres. They can look better depending on what else has been done, and tyre choice is a factor.
Can't help with the last Question I'm afraid, I'm only a geek when it comes to Pandas.
Ok, I've compared the length of the struts and they are both the same. The spring seats are in the same place too, so the difference in ride height must be determined by the spring length.
I can guess the next question. I don't have any loose springs to measure at the moment but may have the info at home in a workshop manual. Will post this evening if nobody else has.
I can guess the next question
. I don't have any loose springs to measure at the moment but may have the info at home in a workshop manual. Will post this evening if nobody else has.
Ok, I've compared the length of the struts and they are both the same. The spring seats are in the same place too, so the difference in ride height must be determined by the spring length.
I can guess the next question
That's interesting I always suspected they were the same. Are the holes for the hub carriers in the same positions and could you drill them out? Only 2wd struts seem to be much cheaper than 4x4 ones. I wouldn't think the damping would be much different...
Great project!
Thought you might like to see my Sisley restoration....also in nato green
https://www.fiatforum.com/panda-classic/232746-restoring-my-sisley.html?p=2456052
Best of luck with it!
Thought you might like to see my Sisley restoration....also in nato green
https://www.fiatforum.com/panda-classic/232746-restoring-my-sisley.html?p=2456052
Best of luck with it!
Great project!
Thought you might like to see my Sisley restoration....also in nato green
https://www.fiatforum.com/panda-classic/232746-restoring-my-sisley.html?p=2456052
Best of luck with it!
Hi Matt! Good to see you found this thread.
I must admit I wasn't a big fan of camo green on a normal car, but after seeing yours in the flesh yesterday I have to say it does suit a Panda 4x4 very well.
Yes you could drill out the holes, I guess they would be ok if you weren't going off road.
I always thought the length of the damper fully extended was longer on a 4x4 and that the holes for the hub carrier were only different on the hub carrier itself??
Wow looks great. Full of confidence for the colour on mine now
Why the reservation about going offroad? Over weakening the part by drilling or for another reason?
Thinking about it, I would almost be tempted to fit a 2wd strut and hub carrier
when my struts do need changed. I have never heard of anyone damage either of those parts beyond normal wear and tear.
I'm not concerned about the parts themselves offroad, I'd just want the extra damping to help stop the bottom of the car hitting the ground.
On the two struts I compared today both damper rods extended the same amount. The holes on the body were 12mm dia. on the 2wd and 14mm dia. on 4x4.
Thanks Vernon you are truly a star. I've read that people fit Skoda rear springs on 4x4 Panda front legs/struts. Mind you I don't intend serious off roading.
My rear springs are presently single leaf. So that might be something else for my shopping list.
At the moment my rear axle is fitted on top of the leaf spring; sitting on it not hanging from it.
Started plumbing in the servo today.
Where does the rear brake regulator move to when a servo is fitted.?
Can't find any pictures or service info.
I amazed at how supportive everyone is here. Thank you all, I really appreciate it.
My rear springs are presently single leaf. So that might be something else for my shopping list.
At the moment my rear axle is fitted on top of the leaf spring; sitting on it not hanging from it.
Started plumbing in the servo today.
Where does the rear brake regulator move to when a servo is fitted.?
Can't find any pictures or service info.
I amazed at how supportive everyone is here. Thank you all, I really appreciate it.
Got a chance to do a couple of odds and ends today. Removed the old exhaust (a nut and bolted rubber hanger on the tailpipe) a bit more brake plumbing.
I remembered to take my camera and although I forgot to take any pics of the servo mounts I took a couple of the underside.
You will notice that the axle is sitting on the rear spring. I will be mounting the 4x4 axle 'Under' the leaf spring (or hanging from it.)
Incidently my experience of prop shaft runs is that they should actually have some angle on the joints and shouldn't be too straight a run.
Here are a few random pics of the underside.
Not bad for a 1983 Fiat huh..?
I remembered to take my camera and although I forgot to take any pics of the servo mounts I took a couple of the underside.
You will notice that the axle is sitting on the rear spring. I will be mounting the 4x4 axle 'Under' the leaf spring (or hanging from it.)
Incidently my experience of prop shaft runs is that they should actually have some angle on the joints and shouldn't be too straight a run.
Here are a few random pics of the underside.
Not bad for a 1983 Fiat huh..?
Thanks for the pics. Are Mk1 Pandas axles mounted on top of the springs too?
Looks pretty sound underneath, but caught just in time to clean up and properly underseal.
Looks pretty sound underneath, but caught just in time to clean up and properly underseal.
:yeahthat:
I can't remember what my Mk1 is like, must have a look later.
I do have this pic of my old 4x4 though, may be useful for you.......
Just let me know if you need any more, I have a 4x4, a Mk1 and a Terra van on hand.
Heh thanks! All good though, I know what the underside of a 4x4 looks like, spent plenty of time lying under my one! Was just curious as to the differences in Marbellas and Mk1s
