Didnt see that but again its down to bluff and bullshit innit.
Afaik the herald is the only publication to set out support for a yes vote?
Afaik the herald is the only publication to set out support for a yes vote?
Scottish Independence? Yay or nay?
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Scottish Independence? Yay or nay?
Stuart said:
Aye
The misinformation and lack of clear answers is what No want though, fear of the unknown is their greatest weapon and they know it. The second the waters are clearer they know they are on the back foot, hence the lack of a debate with Salmond. They know Salmond is a very, very good public speaker (i'd go as far as saying a world class debater...and this is coming from somebody who doesn't especially like him hugely either) and he'd be up against David Cameron...who ermmm isn't. And even if he did pull a great performance out in a debate, he knows he is seen as Margaret Thatcher wear a posh eton boy mask, He's on a complete hiding to nothing tbh and should Salmond destroy him in a debate and the waters became less muddy, that's project fears major game card gone.
There's a reason we're not getting that many clear answers on both sides, No want it muddied, so even when clear answers are sought, the goal posts keep getting moved to make yes look like they don't have clear answers, Yes (i feel) are scared that with full clarity, it doesn't sound quite as attractive/likely to have much far reaching effect, so it might turn a few dunno's into "well what's the point if there's probably not going to be much change to me?, No". I dare say there are also quite a few negative things Yes are hiding, both sides are.
It's a fine line to tread.
Martyn said:
It feels stranhely appropriate to quote the chuckle brothers and proclaim 'oh dear oh dear'
Thats the one mark, how can anyone take any journalism on the referendum seriously with stuff like that being reported?!?!? Even the BBC is at it!
BBC Northern Ireland website, 2 May 2014:
Lord Trimble on “Good Morning Scotland”, 3 May 2014Actually, a Yes vote in Scotland would reinforce the argument against violence, because it’s a demonstration of how you can achieve major change through the political democratic process.”
Also the Herald is still on the fence, its the Sunday Herald that has taken the yes side.
BBC Northern Ireland website, 2 May 2014:
Lord Trimble on “Good Morning Scotland”, 3 May 2014Actually, a Yes vote in Scotland would reinforce the argument against violence, because it’s a demonstration of how you can achieve major change through the political democratic process.”
Also the Herald is still on the fence, its the Sunday Herald that has taken the yes side.
Being a homeowner on a currently low interest rate, and happy with the current level of taxes and the current climate, I've never been so well off.
i know which side my bread is buttered so voting no.
And btw, despite my accent I'm Scottish and born in Elgin before anyone starts. Lol
i know which side my bread is buttered so voting no.
And btw, despite my accent I'm Scottish and born in Elgin before anyone starts. Lol
To be fair, I would vote purely on my own selfish reasons too, but the 41000 children in Glasgow alone who had to rely on Foodbanks last year makes me think more of the people than of the person. But then im a bit of a soft touch like that.
Venters said:
Ohh please, next thing you will be telling us all to post our life savings to africa next with little speeches like that Venters.
I am still in no way classed as well off, but yeah if providing for myself. my missus and my 6 month old baby is classed as selfish then by all means call me that.
I don't fall on sob stories, Ive seen enough pretty poor ones from where I work on a daily basis.
Calm down princess Lol, you said you were voting for selfish reasons. I merely agreed I'd do that too if it weren't for how many children are living in poverty in this country. It just so happens that it is also in my interest to vote for independence. Working in care and seeing what is happening to the nhs in England and Wales is terrifying for me. Enjoy the baby by the way, my two are a real handful.
No let's get this straight, you inferred I was voting no for selfish reasons lol.
We are quite lucky up here with the nhs, but i don't believe for a second it will be better or worse under independence tbh. However the majority of the people I work with have other halfs in one or the other two military bases up here. My big worry is that If indi happens and the uk decide to pull troops then my work area will be depleted and the surrounding economy will suffer.
same with the nuclear deterrent. Sorry but even if they go to the south of England and an explosion happens, we get a southernly wind then we suffer the fallout. Better to leave them where they are and keep jobs in Scotland, along with the local economy they sustain.
dont think folk are looking at the bigger picture with the nuke situation tbh, they just see the word nuke and panick.
We are quite lucky up here with the nhs, but i don't believe for a second it will be better or worse under independence tbh. However the majority of the people I work with have other halfs in one or the other two military bases up here. My big worry is that If indi happens and the uk decide to pull troops then my work area will be depleted and the surrounding economy will suffer.
same with the nuclear deterrent. Sorry but even if they go to the south of England and an explosion happens, we get a southernly wind then we suffer the fallout. Better to leave them where they are and keep jobs in Scotland, along with the local economy they sustain.
dont think folk are looking at the bigger picture with the nuke situation tbh, they just see the word nuke and panick.
The MOD/Raf thing is a non starter for me...UK government have already asset stripped the hell out of the area and there's nowt to say they won't continue pulling bases from up here if indipendance doesn't go ahead.
I still feel kinda weird in that both sides seem to be providing economical versions of the truth, particularly the no camp. However I seem to be leaning more and more towards a yes vote. Not a huge van of Salmond as a person per se, but I'd like to see what happens if we go it alone. We managed for years and years before the act of the Union...
I still feel kinda weird in that both sides seem to be providing economical versions of the truth, particularly the no camp. However I seem to be leaning more and more towards a yes vote. Not a huge van of Salmond as a person per se, but I'd like to see what happens if we go it alone. We managed for years and years before the act of the Union...
Lets not beat about the bush.... IF we do not get independence, its written into the books that another attempt cannot be tried, so for one its now or never, and do you think for one second that Westminster wont punish the country for trying it? We will get devolved back to where we were, we will loose the free uni places, free prescriptions, taxes will go up whether we are independent or not.
Westminster can't wait to punish us for thinking about going it alone.
Poll tax part 2?
Poll tax part 2?
It would be a non starter for you Martyn coz you don't live or work all that close to one. When lossie was threatened even the SNP were out trying to stop it closing. They themselves know that even though assets are stripped that closing the bases would cripple the local economy. Lossie still have a lot of personnel there, lossie and Elgin would turn into ghost towns. Trust me on that one.
Oh please whose scaremongering now? That's horseshit, Westminster cannot remove devolved powers already handed to the Scottish government. It would basically be illegal. We are not going to lose free prescriptions etc.
What worries me most about independence is this. How are we going to afford all the free stuff the yes party is offering? ,whisky companies- owned by foreign national. Scottish oil is also being recovered by foreign nationals. We don't seem to own anything to sell.
Tax raising will be an option, watch people start screaming poverty when that happens.
by the way, anyone else get their tax cut on what they earned this year? Just sayin.
Oh please whose scaremongering now? That's horseshit, Westminster cannot remove devolved powers already handed to the Scottish government. It would basically be illegal. We are not going to lose free prescriptions etc.
What worries me most about independence is this. How are we going to afford all the free stuff the yes party is offering? ,whisky companies- owned by foreign national. Scottish oil is also being recovered by foreign nationals. We don't seem to own anything to sell.
Tax raising will be an option, watch people start screaming poverty when that happens.
by the way, anyone else get their tax cut on what they earned this year? Just sayin.
The joys of working abroad eh? Haha.
tbf what you were probably taxed, it's probably in line with my take home pay lol
tbf what you were probably taxed, it's probably in line with my take home pay lol
steve119 said:
There was RAF Buchan not all that far from me...Westminster gubbed that alltogether though
Scottish oil, as demonstrated in the north east, creates an extremely bouyant economy. I can't see the providers, operators or related service companies just upping sticks if Scotland goes it alone. The revenue generated between Oil/Gas/Renewable plus Tourism would certainly give the country the kick start it needs.
And of course they will end it, they will be looking to pull the whole of the uk into one line, I read it at the beginning, im not saying we would be worse off or better off overall tho, because we just dont know. And neither side is giving us answers, imo, westmnster has put us in the **** after us being one of the richest countries in the world for hundreds of years, why should we start trusting them now? Oh yeah cos alex salmond is a fat prick....
steve119 said:
Or maybe they aren't just thinking of the safety aspect (which fwiw i think is a concern, but nowhere near as big a concern as, say... a nuclear powerplant), but are looking at it from a moral standpoint that they don't want their country to have wmd's. Plus they are a financial burden for the country, not just at present, but for the replacement program which is coming up.
As with a lot of cases, there's an argument on both sides.
