Technical Replacing uj needle rollers

[floatinglandrover]

Hi, has anyone replaced the needle roller bearings on the propshaft universal joint as my uj was damaged by an over enthusiastic mechanical while changing the centre bearing so now I only have 2wd till I can repair it .
If anyone has replaced them I'd be interested in where they got the parts please.
Thanks Brian.

 

[jrkitching]

If anyone has replaced them I'd be interested in where they got the parts please.There a

If you know exactly what you need, there are a few specialist suppliers of individual bearing parts, here is a link to one of them.

 

[floatinglandrover]

If you know exactly what you need, there are a few specialist suppliers of individual bearing parts, here is a link to one of them.

Thanks for the reply,I've had bearings from various places before as I rebuilt a tractor propshaft once but unfortunately I don't have an accurate way of measuring the internal hole that the case is pressed into, I have a micrometer to measure the external part and I think removing the old bearings may damage them thus preventing me taking a measurement of the old case.
I was hoping someone might know the sizes if they had done the job previously.

 

[portland_bill]

Not a good idea to replace just the needle rollers, need to replace the whole spider. If the spider is held in with circlips, it will almost certainly be a standard size.
Euro Car Parts website fights back when you look for 'universal' products, so they may not be able to help. A search online for propshaft services will probably find something useful. If the joints are staked in, a professional propshaft company will still be able to refurbish it.

Edit: Foud these: http://www.propshaftrepairs.com/universal-joints

 

[floatinglandrover]

Not a good idea to replace just the needle rollers, need to replace the whole spider. If the spider is held in with circlips, it will almost certainly be a standard size.
Euro Car Parts website fights back when you look for 'universal' products, so they may not be able to help. A search online for propshaft services will probably find something useful. If the joints are staked in, a professional propshaft company will still be able to refurbish it.

Edit: Foud these: http://www.propshaftrepairs.com/universal-joints

Thanks for your reply
The bearings are peened in place with punch marks, there was no wear in the UJ prior to it being damaged by the aforementioned mechanic so I think just the bearings being changed will be fine , I just need to know what size they are.
I've already searched for propshaft services and the cost is prohibitive so I want to change the bearings, I've done it before with this type on a tractor but previously I knew the sizes to order.
In my experience four needle roller bearings like these should only cost around £20 as opposed to £400-500 for it to be refurbished.
I tried an eBay one for £230 but got vibrations above 50mph so returned it.

 

[koalar]

Are you sure it's repairable? Have you physically inspected it. Post a photo

The pre 2003 UJ could be rebuild/replaced

But the 169 were not generally

Fiat may have used different supplies for the propshaft, I don't know

 

[floatinglandrover]

Are you sure it's repairable? Have you physically inspected it. Post a photo

The pre 2003 UJ could be rebuild/replaced

But the 169 were not generally

View attachment 436913

Fiat may have used different supplies for the propshaft, I don't know

No it is not designed to be rebuilt, this is why I asked if anyone has done it.
The one you have shown would be easy to rebuild by simply grinding away the welds and tacking the new bearings in place but I still need to know the bearing sizes.

 

[portland_bill]

Peening the joints, or 'staking' them, was first seen on Fords in the seventies. They can be unpeened, replaced, and re-peened, but without circlip grooves, care needs to be taken to ensure the joints are central. That is some of what you pay for when a specialist does the job.
If you are happy to remove and refit them yourself, then you will need to remove the needle rollers and measure them with a micrometer, or at least carefully with a vernier caliper. However, if any needle rollers are damaged, the bearing surfaces of the spider and caps are likely damaged too, so they will wear quickly.

 

[koalar]

If the roller are damaged, will not the cups and posts

The cross drive complete are around £15 across Europe

UK, all I can find have no stock

Plenty in Italy, Germany, Poland but £20 postage is the best I could find

 

[porta]

Hi, has anyone replaced the needle roller bearings on the propshaft universal joint as my uj was damaged by an over enthusiastic mechanical while changing the centre bearing so now I only have 2wd till I can repair it .
If anyone has replaced them I'd be interested in where they got the parts please.
Thanks Brian.

Like you, I’m in farming so like to be able to do things for myself without resorting to expensive ‘specialists’, yes we’re tight-wads, and tractor/digger/telehandler/plant is stupidly expensive and, more often than not, a nightmare to get some parts for.
Luckily, round here, there’s lots of specialist and general suppliers from farming, plant, hydraulic, automotive and engine and transmission, so once I have a bit in my hand, I just take it to get ‘matched up’.
I think, from all the replies, that no one has done it but, as we all seem to agree, the only way to get replacements is to strip it down and measure it.

 

[floatinglandrover]

If the roller are damaged, will not the cups and posts

The cross drive complete are around £15 across Europe

UK, all I can find have no stock

Plenty in Italy, Germany, Poland but £20 postage is the best I could find.

 

[floatinglandrover]

Could you please send me a link of the kit available in Europe as £35 all in doesn't sound bad at all?
Thanks Brian.

 

[floatinglandrover]

Like you, I’m in farming so like to be able to do things for myself without resorting to expensive ‘specialists’, yes we’re tight-wads, and tractor/digger/telehandler/plant is stupidly expensive and, more often than not, a nightmare to get some parts for.
Luckily, round here, there’s lots of specialist and general suppliers from farming, plant, hydraulic, automotive and engine and transmission, so once I have a bit in my hand, I just take it to get ‘matched up’.
I think, from all the replies, that no one has done it but, as we all seem to agree, the only way to get replacements is to strip it down and measure it.

I think you're right, I just currently don't have a decent workshop and most of my tools are still packed from a move back from France, could be a job for the dining room table .

 

[porta]

I think you're right, I just currently don't have a decent workshop and most of my tools are still packed from a move back from France, could be a job for the dining room table .

I’m sure the missus wouldn’t mind a vice bolted to the table, you could always tell her it’s for carving up her gravy/custard if she’s got a sense of humour or you don’t mind your balls going in the vice

 

[koalar]

Could you please send me a link of the kit available in Europe as £35 all in doesn't sound bad at all?
Thanks Brian.

If you Google something like this

"Crossed" Transmission "Panda" 4X4 - Google Search

And search the images

Each image links to more

This is just one of the the first one that came up on a Google search, I know nothing about the company

CROCIERA ALBERO TRASMISSIONE FIAT PANDA 4X4 DAL 2003 64x24 mm PER 55222107 | eBay

Le migliori offerte per CROCIERA ALBERO TRASMISSIONE FIAT PANDA 4X4 DAL 2003 64x24 mm PER 55222107 sono su eBay â Confronta prezzi e caratteristiche di prodotti nuovi e usati â Molti articoli con consegna gratis!

www.ebay.it

That mention the correct propshaft 55222107, just be careful there not all for the 169


Must be a generic part, no panda 169 were ever fitted with circlips, as in the pictures


Places that I have or others have used like autodoc sell them but are out of stock

I looked quite hard yesterday for a UK suppler at a reasonable price

 

[floatinglandrover]

If you Google something like this

"Crossed" Transmission "Panda" 4X4 - Google Search

And search the images

Each image links to more

This is just one of the the first one that came up on a Google search, I know nothing about the company

CROCIERA ALBERO TRASMISSIONE FIAT PANDA 4X4 DAL 2003 64x24 mm PER 55222107 | eBay

Le migliori offerte per CROCIERA ALBERO TRASMISSIONE FIAT PANDA 4X4 DAL 2003 64x24 mm PER 55222107 sono su eBay â Confronta prezzi e caratteristiche di prodotti nuovi e usati â Molti articoli con consegna gratis!

www.ebay.it

That mention the correct propshaft 55222107, just be careful there not all for the 169


Must be a generic part, no panda 169 were ever fitted with circlips, as in the pictures


Places that I have or others have used like autodoc sell them but are out of stock

I looked quite hard yesterday for a UK suppler at a reasonable price

Mines a 2014 so slightly later than the 169 but can imagine there's much difference but I'd like to know for sure before ordering from abroad.

 

[jrkitching]

Mines a 2014 so slightly later than the 169

That might confuse a few folks - this thread is in the section for the 169 Panda.

There are significant differences in the 312 4WD drivetrain arrangements, so don't assume any parts intended for the 169 are going to fit.

 

[floatinglandrover]

That might confuse a few folks - this thread is in the section for the 169 Panda.

There are significant differences in the 312 4WD drivetrain arrangements, so don't assume any parts intended for the 169 are going to fit.

AHH wasn't exactly sure where to post but hoped it would be close enough.
Back to trying to source the bearings then I think.

 

[koalar]

At least some of the post 2012 use the same propshaft but I am not at all clued up on the later pandas, never owned one

I suspect, if you take the old one out and measure

You will be able to find one much cheaper

Probably under £20 including shipping

There only appears to be a few different sizes and a few manufactures

For example
Ford
Daewoo
Hyundai
Jeep
Land Rover
Mazda
Vauxhall
Ssayansong
All use the same UJ

 

[floatinglandrover]

At least some of the post 2012 use the same propshaft but I am not at all clued up on the later pandas, never owned one

I suspect, if you take the old one out and measure

View attachment 436957

You will be able to find one much cheaper

Probably under £20 including shipping

There only appears to be a few different sizes and a few manufactures

For example
Ford
Daewoo
Hyundai
Jeep
Land Rover
Mazda
Vauxhall
Ssayansong
All use the same UJ

Thanks I'll try that, hopefully a Vernier will be accurate enough