Obviously if the 500 isn't suitable then it needs to go, but i wouldn't bother starting another pcp agreement just for a warranty.
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arorat, I'm not sure I'm the best person to advise at all on your situation. I don't know how PCP plans etc work as for the last ten years I've bought the cars we've had cash and that includes three new cars.
Concerning our old POP, we bought that at a significant discount (£7495) from a reseller as the car was ex Fiat fleet, saved about 2.5k over what we could have paid from a Fiat dealer off the forecourt. Had the car for 27 months and PX'd it for a smideon under 6k, which considering that the PX guides were firmly stating that the trade would only pay £5450 (last December's figures), I don't think I got a bad deal. So over the 27 months we had the car, it depreciated by just over 1.5k. I would like to say, if I had decided to sell the vehicle privately, I could possibly have got maybe £6200 for the car (it had under 20k on the clock), but I absolutely cannot stand having all and sundry turn up at my front door, phoning me and tyre kicking. Plus selling privately can be fraught with all sorts of problems and I don't need the hassle.
I had intended to keep the old POP for quite a while but when I started looking at the price of new pre-reg TA's being advertised for a whopping 3k off of list price and the fact I could maximise the return on the old car, it seemed a no brainer to buy the new TA. I fully understand that there are many people who just wouldn't ever in their life travel nationally to a dealer to buy a car, that's their choice, but even if the car had been in Aberdeen, I'd have still bought it and travelled up to get it so much was the saving. And of course the car has the fully dealer warranty etc.
PXing can be a fraught experience for some and it took quite some negotiation with the Fiat dealer I bought our car from to accept my demand and I did have to give some leeway, as did he, but we got there in the end. I would say, if you want to maximise the value from your own vehicle, then you probably do need to do a swap sooner rather than later.
Hope it all goes well.
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For now though, it seems that you will almost certainly have at least £1000 to put towards any new car on top of any other offers at your dealer once a PX deal is offered. So you will have a few options available which is always nice.
Let us know how you get on anyway!
Cheers, thats comforting, i will be looking at the 500L MPW
that is true, and there is less depreciation as the car gets older. the other side is as Super Uwe says below you will get a brand new car and if affordability is not an issue then its one way to go. Now having said that I do like what Frupi is saying too, regards px against an almost new car, but with this method your are looking to cash buy and lay down the funds otherwise suffer the high APRs.
Well, you get a new car with a brand new warranty...
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£1.5k depr. over 27 months, that is excellent. I do like this and will look into it.
Sorry to bore you all, I have been through this before... best option is to keep the Rav for the property runarounds and drive it to the ground or use as px in the future. The cars I have in mind are 500L MPW, re-visit the pug 2008 allure and Kuga Tit.x - all Auto. Oh this also opens up the doors to the BMW 3 touring range too. Will keep you updated and may have the red 500 with all the goodies and winters tyres for sale around May.
Thanks for your help guys its good to reflect by you
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Lol, yeah you might be!
I think you might be pleasantly surprised by the 500L. If you look at it as a car purely on its own (and not think about whether it is or isn't a 500), I think it's a really good car. Not managed to test drive one yet but it does seem a good package.
For now though, it seems that you will almost certainly have at least £1000 to put towards any new car on top of any other offers at your dealer once a PX deal is offered. So you will have a few options available which is always nice.
Let us know how you get on anyway!
Had a letter from Fiat offering £500 dealer discount plus another £1000 Loyalty bonus against another 500, not sure if that applies to other models too, not a bad offer.
Yesterday had a look at the 500L and 500 MPW, nice cars but I didn't like the front seats as they did not offer support under the thighs, and I am only 5'7". The dash and front area was cluttered, we are not sure about the 500L range at all.
Also had a look at the new Qashqai, looks nice from outside but some materials used on the dash do not do it justice, wife did not like the dark interior, its not a bad car which will last.
and looked at Pug 2008, okay the shape is a bit odd, but the interior is well laid out, nice materials on the dash, the seats hug you nicely. We are looking at the 1.6 Auto or 1.6d ecg.
Can I ask for your technical opinions on the 2008 whilst we testdrive all three brands ? I will appreciate if any tech heads could google ecg issues.
The 1.6 petrol (true Auto) is a 4 speed - will four gears be an issue. There is news a 1.2 thp is coming out next year !!
The 1.6d ecg is 6 speed 98g/0tax - this box has reported issues when in auto mode but seems fine in manual paddle shift. Do you think people drive the car improperly ?
What are the problems with a Diesel Filter.
Sorry a lot of questions around the 2008 model, but will appreciate your help, not sure who else I can turn to who is unbiased
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Thanks Rui, did look at that, its a bit boxy and expensive but I am sure its reliable.
Or try the Suzuki S Cross. None of the others is such a hoot to drive, and the seating position is perfect. Very economical too - the 500L is not an economical car because it is so heavy, even if it can be had with exactly the same 1.6 120 Diesel as the Suzuki. All the tests suggest it gets something like 15 mpg less, with poorer performance and handling too.
The Suzuki has a grey but smart interior, simple, easy to use and very well built.
Then there is the Renault Captur. It can be a bit circus in some colour combinations, and it isn't the best driver, but it is a decent price.
The new Qashqai is now very long and wide, I'd say it is too big now - and I agree about the interior, much is said about the quality, but it is only skin deep and on closer inspection it feels a bit cheap. It's very tomb like in the back as well.
PS. If you live and drive in London you probably need a petrol car, Diesels need a decent run every week or so to maintain the DPFs
The Suzuki has a grey but smart interior, simple, easy to use and very well built.
Then there is the Renault Captur. It can be a bit circus in some colour combinations, and it isn't the best driver, but it is a decent price.
The new Qashqai is now very long and wide, I'd say it is too big now - and I agree about the interior, much is said about the quality, but it is only skin deep and on closer inspection it feels a bit cheap. It's very tomb like in the back as well.
PS. If you live and drive in London you probably need a petrol car, Diesels need a decent run every week or so to maintain the DPFs
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Thanks Ulpian, useful comments and great observation on the Qashqai interior, I think they have left the door open to improve the interior when they do a facelift in the coming years, commercial games !!
A good point about the DPF and low milage in London, most of our trips are under 2 miles with once a year trip to pay homage to Maxi's Mont Blanc
I will look at the suzuki sc this weekend.
btw came across the new Jeep Cherokee today, its got the BMW type side lines and thin Kuga headlights. If you get over the looks the interior is actually quite nice, not sure what it will be priced at. http://www.jeep.co.uk/cherokee-2014/
We are actually quite happy with the 500 but need a larger Auto, may just swap for a dual logic TA to stay on this forum.
A good point about the DPF and low milage in London, most of our trips are under 2 miles with once a year trip to pay homage to Maxi's Mont Blanc
I will look at the suzuki sc this weekend.
btw came across the new Jeep Cherokee today, its got the BMW type side lines and thin Kuga headlights. If you get over the looks the interior is actually quite nice, not sure what it will be priced at. http://www.jeep.co.uk/cherokee-2014/
We are actually quite happy with the 500 but need a larger Auto, may just swap for a dual logic TA to stay on this forum.
If you are looking at a jeep then the 2015 Renegade is the one for you, I really like it.
You will have to wait until later on this year...but it is made by Fiat in Italy!
Its based on the 500l and about the same size
You will have to wait until later on this year...but it is made by Fiat in Italy!
Its based on the 500l and about the same size
I know what you mean about the Forum ;-)
You need a petrol, that's for certain. Just look at all the various specs of all the cars you are interested in, and make sure you have a decent test drive.
You need a petrol, that's for certain. Just look at all the various specs of all the cars you are interested in, and make sure you have a decent test drive.
The Renegade looks like a great car, but what about the economy I wonder, it's a bit of a brick?
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Yes this is a great forum, many sensible people here parting knowledge. Just looking at this topic of "possibly moving away", no one has been nasty but rather helpful.
Agreed re Petrol, it seems I am heading in the direction of paying off the PCP on the 500 and keeping my options open.
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IMHO the only sensible option.
More than you might think.
IIRC about four in ten house sales in the UK are cash transactions with no mortgage involved.
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Talking to a colleague who works at a BMW dealership the other day, he said roughly half the buyers across the range are cash buyers, no, not crooks, but cashed up business owners and professionals.
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If you get a personal loan, you pay by a bank cheque drawn on your own account, so the dealer may be told it's 'cash' but he can't really know where the funds came from. I don't think too many people actually walk into a dealership with a suitcase full of bills like in the movies.
Me I put UFI on the credit card, which gave me ~$200 in fuel reward points and 45 days extra to pay, as well as saving the bank cheque fee.
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True, but you'd be amazed how many BMW's are bought on am-ex, no suitcases full of cash , but lots if personal cheques, and the dealer waits a day or two for it to be cleared. Really expensive cars can also bought as a money laundering exercise
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We looked at a 500L for the first time a couple of weeks ago. Still not sure about the looks, but very impressed by the interior - spacious, interesting colours and very clever seat configurations. We also looked at a Renault Capture. Not quite as big, and the interior is more mainstream grey, but I think it's a nice looking car. The diesel has zero road tax and will do 65mpg in the real world. The buying package is much better than the Fiat. The price includes a 4-year warranty, 4 years servicing and there are the usual finance packages available.
I have to admit some bias as this would replace our bigger car, a 4 year old Megane which has been really good.
I have to admit some bias as this would replace our bigger car, a 4 year old Megane which has been really good.
