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Or cold for that matter. My Conti 2's really feel hard and slippery below about 3-4 degrees..
Tuning Performance Tyres - need your advice / experiences
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Or cold for that matter. My Conti 2's really feel hard and slippery below about 3-4 degrees..
My RE050A's feel even worse, they're very much a summer tyre.
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It seems like some people get themselves all Man United & lathered-up into a tyre rage that seriously clouds their judgement.
The first point you’ve got wrong is that I’m an expert “on paper” or otherwise. I do read the research papers of qualified international experts - & note their findings. Perhaps you can avoid or evade that step in non-manufacturing – but we have Q standards to meet & consider issues like product liability & lot traceability. The second point you’ve got wrong is that the experiences of others are rejected “purely based on specs that were tested in a lab.” It’s far more likely their views are rejected on the grounds their comments amount to a subjective blow-off with little or no supporting evidence or proven experience. Proof, brings us to your third error – lab tests! The testing methodology for wet grip & external noise tests are outdoor tests – not lab tests. Name the testing authorities that are flooding their lab for the wet grip tests & testing external tyre noise indoors. (Here’s looking at you).
Finally, your finest hour – the notion that there’s someone in the UK who claims to know better than the tyre manufacturer, EU & JATMA authorities. By buying this tyre & fitting them to their FIAT & driving it – miraculously pushes-the-envelope of it’s performance into a medal winner, & the reviewer feted as … <competent>. (It couldn’t possibly be the what-a-clever-buy-they’ve-made effect?).
Somehow I can’t see Toyo closing their proving ground with mass redundancies of testing personnel on the grounds their competence is challenged by some amateur of dubious qualifications & experience. Best get a wiggle-on if your heart’s set on the T1-R. Toyo have moved forward so why would they continue with a tyre from the 20thC with those labels? Unless of course they have plans to redevelop it.
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Toyo havent stopped making the t1r they have just stopped shipping it to the eu because they know knumb nuts are not going to look more than just at the eu label that only offers a restricted overview of a tyre’s performance
t1r is available in a range of sizes with speed ratings V and Y you just have to find old stock or shop outside the eu.
t1r is available in a range of sizes with speed ratings V and Y you just have to find old stock or shop outside the eu.
Caravadossi, home back when you've removed your head from a certain poo-filled valley....
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Lol, anyway back to tyres...I think I'm going to go for the Dunlop Sport BlueResponse. It gets great reviews and succeeds the FastReponse.
Some say its a performance tyre some call it a touring tyre.
Either way it seems to have good wet and dry braking and lap performance.
Some say its a performance tyre some call it a touring tyre.
Either way it seems to have good wet and dry braking and lap performance.
they pop if you hit a pot hole though
The point that BGunn was making is that tests done outside aren't 100% reproducible and comparable.
I work for a hearing company and I can tell you that any noise test done outside is not reliable.
No one is even saying that the tests aren't worth a look, simply that they aren't the be all and end all.
You can make up crap like that we think we know better than the authorities so as to make your point if you like, but it's nothing more than that, we're not saying we know better than EU or JATMA authorities, but that personal experience should be taken into account when choosing tyres.
If you want to buy tyres based purely on labelling then that's your prerogative, but we don't drive in laboratory conditions all the time do we?
For the hard of understanding (Caravadossi, I'm looking at you again), I think that the labels are actually a good idea, they will get most of the really cheap dangerous crap off the road or at least highlight its crappiness to the customer.
Oh and one last thing Caravadossi, how does the EU test tyres in differing temperatures? MY Bridgestone Potenza RE050A's are rated as a A class tyre in the wet, but as soon as it gets cold they love to spin up in the wet yet I've had other tyres which don't spin up so badly in the wet :chin: I wonder if the experiences a person has in their car in termperatures ranging from below 0 to up to 30 degrees might actually be somehow useful, you know..... as opposed to a few runs done on a day when it's a constant temperature.
I like Uniroyal Rainsports -- suited my Cinq Turbo and 1.2 Cinq fine, might try them on the T5 when it needs new front covers (sooner, rather than later.........). 
Be sure to ask Caravadossi if they're good.
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I like Uniroyal Rainsports -- suited my Cinq Turbo and 1.2 Cinq fine, might try them on the T5 when it needs new front covers (sooner, rather than later.........).
The OHs MiTo has another buldge on the front passenger tyre.
that's 2 tyres gone in 215/45 R17. Didn't happen with the P0s but the Uniroyals are better in the wet. Wouldn't be getting the Uniroyals again. Given the state of the roads the only tyres that will suit are stiffer walled ones. They had been pumped to the max pressure permissible.- Joined
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At the price of them it would be worthwhile having a stock pile of the T1Rs while you can still get them.Be sure to ask Caravadossi if they're good.
The OHs MiTo has another buldge on the front passenger tyre.
Falkens seem to have stiffer sidewalls than most, but might be unduly harsh on overweight cars with poorly developed suspensions.
A good whap from a pothole will ruin any tyre, possibly take the wheel out too!
In my experience Falken's are not the best. But hell, let Caravadossi see what the labels say and we'll know what they're really like
yo, Caravadossi.
Riddle me this riddle me that, why do Yoko AD08's get an A rating http://camskill.co.uk/m12b0s662p59628/Yokohama_Tyres_Car_Yokohama_AD08_Advan_Neova_Yokohama_AD_08_-_195_50_R15_82V_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_F_Wet_Grip%3A_A_NoiseClass%3A_3_Noise%3A_75dB in the wet when they're universally regarded as being a tyre which is not the best in the wet? :chin:
But hey, what would people who actually have them on their cars know about them that some people who have done a few lab tests wouldn't :chin:
Riddle me this riddle me that, why do Yoko AD08's get an A rating http://camskill.co.uk/m12b0s662p59628/Yokohama_Tyres_Car_Yokohama_AD08_Advan_Neova_Yokohama_AD_08_-_195_50_R15_82V_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_F_Wet_Grip%3A_A_NoiseClass%3A_3_Noise%3A_75dB in the wet when they're universally regarded as being a tyre which is not the best in the wet? :chin:
But hey, what would people who actually have them on their cars know about them that some people who have done a few lab tests wouldn't :chin:
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Isn't the problem with AD08 Aquaplaning not a prob with outright braking / cornering in the wet? Just goes to show that the ratings aren't all encompassing.
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Dunlop's BluResponse is a touring tyre but one of the key downsides is wear. The Conti 5 also 'hits the spot' but on the track it supposedly overheats but it does sit in both the touring and the performance test sections. Dunlop has the Spot Max TT as its performance tyre.
Since a new tyre has 8-9mm of thread once you're down to 3mm performance tails off quickly. At least the price is OK and it's quiet. On tyrereviews in 185 / 60 R15 BluResponse came 3rd. Conti 5 2nd and Michelin Saver + came first ! There was a comment up there that the BluResponse was better than the RE040 since it's of a newer pattern.
Best of luck on your choice
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