Tuning Oil type and mpg?

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Tuning Oil type and mpg?

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When the ECO model was introduced the increase in mpg was attributed largely to a change of tyres and a different type of engine oil. Now I've seen some discussion on here to the effect that people have tried different makes of tyre and there was no difference in the mpg. Mine is a March 2009 Mamy and has Eco written on the tyres, so I guess the slightly later model isn't going to be very different in this respect. So that leaves the oil -can an oil change really make a 5mpg difference in consumption? Mine's just coming up to its first service, so is it worth me asking the Fiat garage to refill it with the Eco model oil or would they do that anyway? And if its not the oil then how to they squeeze and extra 5mpg out of it? I'm quite disappointed with my mpg and would love to improve it.
 
did it not have a different map?

I thought it had a different map but when I asked my friendly DET mate he said no its the same ..later 1.2 engines in other models [500] have 69 hp ..
 
Whats a map?

Its a program that is entered into a ECU..things like spark/fueling/ignition timing etc..also some of the older panda 1.2's have been experiencing problems of late with fuel gauges shooting up and starting problems..was talking to one of our members on here who had been having just that kind of trouble and his dealer told him that there was no such update for the panda to correct the problem..which I know is incorrect cos I had it done on my yellow one..anyroad I told him to get to a dealer who did know what they are talking about and he came back to me with ..yes your right PNL I Have found a dealer who can do the update [new software package ]on my panda for £45..haven't heard how he got on since but I guess it done the trick because he hasn't been back to say other wise..

When Dave say new Map tho I think he means using new software parameters to decrease emissions on the engine or increas the bhp of the engine..whether that is correct or not tho I really cant comment on..:chin:
 
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When the ECO model was introduced the increase in mpg was attributed largely to a change of tyres and a different type of engine oil. Now I've seen some discussion on here to the effect that people have tried different makes of tyre and there was no difference in the mpg. Mine is a March 2009 Mamy and has Eco written on the tyres, so I guess the slightly later model isn't going to be very different in this respect. So that leaves the oil -can an oil change really make a 5mpg difference in consumption?.......
Apparantly, allegedly, although personally I reckon it's partially urban myth, yes a thinner oil (as in lower viscosity) will, should, possibly, perhaps give better return on fuel usage in a newish engine on first start and prewarm up driving. Less drag and all that. But...some people - and the jury is still out on this one - reckon that once the engine reaches full operating temperature then any and all oils will attain the same or similar properties of viscosity. So no fuel benefits from that point on. However, once an engine has worn, a thicker oil will be much more beneficial and consequently the power train will no longer be quite so economical. Phew, at least that's what my mate said down the pub earlier ;)
 
When Dave say new Map tho I think he means using new software parameters to decrease emissions on the engine or increas the bhp of the engine..whether that is correct or not tho I really cant comment on..:chin:

:confused: did another dave say new map then:confused:
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there are a lot of companies out there though that say they can remap a car for better economy,

a forum search using the words remap+economy may show up some more info
 
Apparantly, allegedly, although personally I reckon it's partially urban myth, yes a thinner oil (as in lower viscosity) will, should, possibly, perhaps give better return on fuel usage in a newish engine on first start and prewarm up driving...
The numbers on the oil (5w40 etc) show its 'thickness' or viscosity when cold (the first number) and when warm (the second). So 0W is 'thinner' cold and so offers less 'drag' (and also flows to all parts of the engine better) at start-up. But if the second number is the same (eg 40), then either oil will have the same viscosity when warm and so make no difference to mpg of a warmed-up engine. (which is, I think, what greyrider2's pub conversation was all about). Note: If the 'warm' value is too low, the oil can 'break down' and stop lubricating effectively -- the dermining factor here is outdoor temperature. In warm climes like the UK, oils with a '30' rating may be too thin in cars that are driven hard.

The 'official mpg figures' are obtained by 'driving' a car (which has to have been 'run in') on an officially certified rolling road, following a prescribed set of speed curves, as defined in the EU standards, starting from cold - the total journey is just 11km (see here:http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/information/fuel-consumption-testing-scheme.asp). Although it must help, it is unlikely that oil alone can give the 5mpg difference, nor (more significantly) reduce the CO2 emissions from the engine. Fiat must have done more, and altering the ignition 'timing' or fuel mix in the ECU, maybe using different compression ratios, or changing the valve timing (different camshaft), or even different gearing, are, I suspect more likely the ways in which the improvements are achieved.

Previously, cars were tested for consumption at 56mph, and all manufacturers optimised cars for best economy at this speed. I'm sure car makers now know how to optimise mpg and CO2 when following the EU curves, but that most users will not see these figures in real life situations
 
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