Looks like I'm going to have to change the front crankshaft oil seal on my 2004 1200 8 valve. It looks a simple job, but any tips would be appreciated.
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Hi there, recently I got my 2004 1.2 8v panda back on the road after 5 years. A new clutch and slave/master cylinder worked a treat, now I've got a leak from the crankshaft oil seal timing belt side. I've been struggling to get the seal out with simple hook tools and for fear of marking the...
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Not that straightforward
Use a heavy grease on the back, if the spring pops off because you have to tap it too hard, you'll be doing the job again in a few months
I never tried freezing the seal, but should work
I get just violent and yank them out if I was to start my tool kit again I be tempted to buy the tool in the link
The shaft wears down a little over time it's worth tapping it a little short so it runs on freash metal
Airbox
Drivers wheel
Auxiliary belt
Auxiliary pulley
Timing plastic covers
Your suppose to remove the the timing sensors, I don't.bother the covers come off without if your carefull
Timing belt
Timing pulley
Basically if you've done the timing belt it's the same job plus.a couple of extra steps
There is a special tool
1.870.744.000
To hold the pulley while the bolt is undone
The bot is very tight
20Nm + 90°
Most bolts that are tightened to an angle should ideally be replaced, I don't see it as a requirement but I would replace it
Seeing as the gearbox is still fitted you should be able to put iin gear and get someone to put there foot on the brake to hold the flywheel still,.instead of the locking tool
Just be very careful to apply the bakes firmly so as not to allow the car to roll and pull it of the stand
@AAB1992 is still active on this forum, maybe they could chime in with anything I have missed
Drivers wheel
Auxiliary belt
Auxiliary pulley
Timing plastic covers
Your suppose to remove the the timing sensors, I don't.bother the covers come off without if your carefull
Timing belt
Timing pulley
Basically if you've done the timing belt it's the same job plus.a couple of extra steps
There is a special tool
1.870.744.000
To hold the pulley while the bolt is undone
The bot is very tight
20Nm + 90°
Most bolts that are tightened to an angle should ideally be replaced, I don't see it as a requirement but I would replace it
Seeing as the gearbox is still fitted you should be able to put iin gear and get someone to put there foot on the brake to hold the flywheel still,.instead of the locking tool
Just be very careful to apply the bakes firmly so as not to allow the car to roll and pull it of the stand
@AAB1992 is still active on this forum, maybe they could chime in with anything I have missed
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Thanks for that,I have in the past replaced the belt and the front camshaft oil seal on two separate occasions. I'll pobably get it over the pit first and slacken the bolt whilst both wheels are on the ground in gear and handbrake on.
Sounds like a good plan to me
Reading through the list of operations again
I think you can leave the air box on, I don't see what access it gains you
Reading through the list of operations again
I think you can leave the air box on, I don't see what access it gains you
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The only concern I have is if the bolt is a right or left hand thread I was reading one of you post's from a few years back which you said there were 3 different sizes of bolts and some were left hand and some right. I will use the original bolt and use thread lock, that's if I can find out which way to undo it. 
Correct both are used
VVT engines are left
Older engines are right
My feeling is at 2004.will still be conventional, most engine changes were in 2009 and 2010
Wish I could be 100% sure
@AAB1992 did one on the same year, hopefully they can advise, @irc has probably stripped them down for spare parts so may have a better idea at when the crossover occurred
Shame car makers don't mark there reverse(left) thread like most makers do
VVT engines are left
Older engines are right
My feeling is at 2004.will still be conventional, most engine changes were in 2009 and 2010
Wish I could be 100% sure
@AAB1992 did one on the same year, hopefully they can advise, @irc has probably stripped them down for spare parts so may have a better idea at when the crossover occurred
Shame car makers don't mark there reverse(left) thread like most makers do
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I think the crankshaft pulley bolt changed pretty early on, maybe 2005-ish, and then stayed the same possibly until the end of FIRE production,
but its been a while since i took one apart.
From notes, an 04 used part 7766581 and an 06 used a 46778599, and the 46778599 was also used on the 500 at least as late as 2013.
but its been a while since i took one apart.
From notes, an 04 used part 7766581 and an 06 used a 46778599, and the 46778599 was also used on the 500 at least as late as 2013.
Well spotted... i have 2 bolts listed in my notes for the 04 rebuild, so I suspect i had to replace the camshaft bolt too. If so, the other one was apparently 55192920.
Either way, pretty sure the crankshaft bolt was different between that engine and the 06, which I worked on at about the same time. I do remember there being a few annoying little differences between the two at the time, and correct information being hard to get.
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We don't know for sure, I don't know anybody that does, 2004 it's likely.to be conventional
It's possible if the change is around 2005
It's the new evo2 block.with the round oil filler is the swap over point,.but that's a pure guess
You could try the technicians at a dealership
It's hit and miss, just been to a nissan dealership
About some Suzuki parts yes I know but the alto and pixo share the same platform,in Crewe they were very helpful and gave me print outs with part numbers
But when I try to get some information from a Volvo dealership I got blanked
Another option is to put you VIN into eper and find the part number of the bolt fitted
We can then cross reference it,
@AAB1992 is still active on here. They did the job on a 2004 1.2 so hopefully able to give some feedback back
It's not common to remove the crank pulley do we don't have many data points like I think aab1992 might be the only one in the last 8 years on a none vvt engine
It's possible if the change is around 2005
It's the new evo2 block.with the round oil filler is the swap over point,.but that's a pure guess
You could try the technicians at a dealership
It's hit and miss, just been to a nissan dealership
About some Suzuki parts yes I know but the alto and pixo share the same platform,in Crewe they were very helpful and gave me print outs with part numbers
But when I try to get some information from a Volvo dealership I got blanked
Another option is to put you VIN into eper and find the part number of the bolt fitted
We can then cross reference it,
@AAB1992 is still active on here. They did the job on a 2004 1.2 so hopefully able to give some feedback back
It's not common to remove the crank pulley do we don't have many data points like I think aab1992 might be the only one in the last 8 years on a none vvt engine
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I've found this.
For the 2004 Fiat Panda 1.2 8v, the crankshaft pulley bolt is a standard right-hand thread. This means you should turn it counter-clockwise to loosen it.
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Important Considerations
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For the 2004 Fiat Panda 1.2 8v, the crankshaft pulley bolt is a standard right-hand thread. This means you should turn it counter-clockwise to loosen it.
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Key Details
- Thread Direction: Standard (Right-Hand).
- Removal: Turn counter-clockwise to remove.
- Socket Size: Often requires an E18 Female Torx socket for similar Fiat 1.2 8v engines.
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Important Considerations
- Do Not Confuse with JTD: While the 1.2 8v uses a standard bolt, some other Fiat engines (like the 1.3 JTD) may have specific components with left-hand threads. Always verify against your specific engine code if you have any doubts.
- Torque to Yield: Many modern crankshaft bolts are "stretch bolts". If the manufacturer specifies that it is a torque-to-yield bolt, it should not be reused.
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I wish I could be as certain as Google AI
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I've tried to post 3 more pics but for some reason I can't 
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More confusion regarding the bolt thread. I rang a local main agent and was told it was a right hand thread then a couple of minutes later was told it was a left hand. I phoned a local Fiat breakers and was told it was a right hand thread. I then phoned The Fiat Workshop Royston and they said they didn't know.
So any info on this will be appreciated.
Ps Does the picture I posted above of the seal look the right size.
Thanks.
So any info on this will be appreciated.
Ps Does the picture I posted above of the seal look the right size.
Thanks.
This is what I make it
- Inner Diameter [mm]:23
- Material:FPM (fluoride rubber)
- Swirl Type:Right-hand Twist
- Radial Shaft Seal Design:A / BS
- Dust Cover:with dust lip
- Height:7
- Diameter:35
- Goods tariff number:8484200000
- Item number:440.710
- Manufacturer:ELRING
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