Technical Panda Mk 3 drive shaft oil seals.

[Lach]

2009 Panda 1.1 Active Eco, manual gearbox.
Are genuine driveshaft oil seals available in The UK ?
I recently replaced the near side driveshaft oil seal using a German made seal. I removed the plate that the seal is located in and carefully removed the seal, refitting the new seal carefully. The large O ring on the rear of the plate was undamaged and cleaned/lubricated before refitting. The new seal was lightly oiled to prevent damage during reassembly. The driveshaft surface that the seal runs on was undamaged and smooth. The UJs on the driveshaft moved smoothly. Reassembly was straight forward and the driveshaft lightly tapped until fully home. That was a month ago and the new seal appears to be weeping oil again.
I do wonder about pattern parts quality.
Are genuine Fiat seals available in The UK and if so, where from ?
Thanks.
Mac.

 

[koalar]

You don't undo the plate to replace the seal they pop out easily enough

Save alignment issues and having to re seal it later on

Pattern part have never leaked for me

Shop4parts do sell OEM ones as discussed fiat dealerships

Are you sure the little spring hasn't bounced off the back, it's best to smear grease over it, holds it in place

 

[Pugglt Auld Jock]

Take a very careful look at the seal where the gear selector exits on the top of the box. They do tend to leak and, if bad enough, the oil dribbles down the side of the box onto the inner joint of the N/S driveshaft. Easy to mistake for a driveshaft seal leaking. Of course it might not be, but well worth a careful look as I've seen a number with this problem.

 

[koalar]

 

[DaveMcT]

I've had exactly this problem. A bad shifter seal can throw out A LOT of oil. To do the repair, you'll need a new roll pin (and pin punch), a new seal and some zip ties.

Put gears into neutral. When you get the shifter top off the gearbox, note closely how its assembled. It's overly complex but I guess Fiat have made them since Year Dot. The shaft can be installed upside down. Note how the arms relate to the gasket face. Use the cable ties to tie up the springs. It's fiddly but you'll be glad you did. Knock out the roll pin. They often come out in pieces. The shaft can now be pulled out. For the new seal. Check shaft for burrs that can cut the seal and reassemble. Be 100% sure the roll pin hole is not 180 degrees out of place. You "can" fit the roll pin like that but nothing works and it gets bent and a nightmare to remove. I use a pin punch to align the holes. If it slips though it's good.

I also made a dust gaiter for the shifter shaft. It's just a wrap of their wetsuit fabric held with cable ties. It keeps grit out of the seal.

 

[koalar]

I've had exactly this problem. A bad shifter seal can throw out A LOT of oil. To do the repair, you'll need a new roll pin (and pin punch), a new seal and some zip ties.

This thread is about a drive shaft seal ?

 

[Pugglt Auld Jock]

This thread is about a drive shaft seal ?

Yes, point taken, but I can appreciate the relevance of a leak at the gear shift shaft seal as, from underneath, it's not that difficult to confuse it with a leak from the driveshaft seal?

 

[koalar]

Yes, point taken, but I can appreciate the relevance of a leak at the gear shift shaft seal as, from underneath, it's not that difficult to confuse it with a leak from the driveshaft seal?

It's open to interpretation

I read as they replace the oil seal and it fixed the problem but it only lasted a month before started weeping again

That was a month ago and the new seal appears to be weeping oil again.

I don't see the point in removing the plate, Unfortunately this is the advise as per YouTube, which strangely they are also now having recurring oil leaks from the drive shaft, it's only located with clearance holes, I suspect it will have been jig off the bearing at factory originally before being screwed down