Technical Oil Grade ??

[madrat]

Just interesting thats all, according to that I could have used the oil from Wilkinson's (see first post) but as that is £3 more than the oil from ASDA and the ASDA oil is a higher spec I quite happy I didn't get it.

 

[madrat]

OK lets put this to bed (for our 500 anyway) According to the hand book, Using products with features lower than ACEA C3 and ACEA C2 could cause engine damage. So as long as its 5w/30 and ACEA C2 or C3 its fine for our Multijet.

Also as long as its 5w/40 ACEA C3 its fine for the petrol engines.


I will post the page when I get to my home PC

 

[loveshandbags]

I will post the page when I get to my home PC

That page was already posted on post #41.

OK lets put this to bed (for our 500 anyway)

I would like that as well.

According to the hand book, Using products with features lower than ACEA C3 and ACEA C2 could cause engine damage. So as long as its 5w/30 and ACEA C2 or C3 its fine for our Multijet.

Also as long as its 5w/40 ACEA C3 its fine for the petrol engines.

I wouldn't agree with you on using C3 for a MJ for the following reasons:

- it will have an emissions impact since the C2 is classified as meriting the 'Economy' criteria which C3 has not got.
- C2 is closer to a ACEA C1 spec but due to the higher SAPS with it being a mid-SAP oil is gets moved into a C2. This was highlighed on the opie site.
- it does not meet the 9.55535-S1 spec as per the handbook.

The 500 manual / Handbook isn't clear cut about not using a ACEA C3 in the 'write up' but is more clear cut on the MiTo handbook and that was why I included it. It is open to interpretation.

If you check the Fiat approval spec of 9.55535-S1 it clearly states ACEA C2. That along with the recent input from the OILMAN is good enough for me.

http://www.oilspecifications.org/fiat.php
Qualification for Diesel and gasoline engine, with exhaust treatment system, lubricants, granting fuel economy and extended drain. OEM recommended product is also approved to ACEA C2.

Oils that meet this spec and are Fiat approved is Selenia and the ones listed here. There are others that meet the 5W30 ACEA C2 here and there's Valvoline which is highly rated (Autolusso use it for their premium service) and can be easily got and has a synthetic grade that suits the diesel.

If you look back on the number of problem threads that you started on the Marea why would you put your 500 MJ at risk for the sake of a few pounds.

 

[madrat]

Well as far as I'm consernded and Fiat ACEA C3 is fine for the multijet.

Asda oil meats the spec so I will and have been using it.

If you look back on the number of problem threads that you started on the Marea why would you put your 500 MJ at risk for the sake of a few pounds.

What has my Marea got to do with the 500??

 

[306maxi]

Well as far as I'm consernded and Fiat ACEA C3 is fine for the multijet.

Asda oil meats the spec so I will and have been using it.

As far as I'm concerned goat jizz is good enough for a multijet, doesn't mean it's actually the right oil

 

[madrat]

bit sticky

 

[306maxi]

bit sticky

I wouldn't know what goat jizz feels like myself, interesting that you know what it feels like though.....

 

[madrat]

misspent youth on the farm

 

[306maxi]

misspent youth on the farm

Beastiality aside, my point still stands that just because you say something is the right grade doesn't mean that it actually is

 

[madrat]

very true, I could say it's OK to use lard, I could say it's OK to use wallpaper paste BUT it's not me saying it's OK to use the ASDA oil.

The handbook say its OK to use a C2 or C3 oil.

The handbook says it's OK to use a 5w/30 synthetic oil

The ASDA oil meets these requirements, So I'm agreeing with the fact that it's OK to use the ASDA oil

 

[306maxi]

very true, I could say it's OK to use lard, I could say it's OK to use wallpaper past BUT it's not me saying it's OK to use the ASDA oil.

The handbook say its OK to use a C2 or C3 oil.

The handbook says it's OK to use a 5w/30 synthetic oil

The ASDA oil meets these requirements

Errr the handbook doesn't say it's OK to use C3 oil though.....

 

[madrat]

And I quote

"lubricants with at least ACEA C2" AT LEAST.

"The use of products with features lower than ACEA C2 and ACEA C3 could cause engine damage and are not covered by warranty"

 

[loveshandbags]

Well as far as I'm consernded and Fiat ACEA C3 is fine for the multijet.
Asda oil meats the spec so I will and have been using it.

Wish you the best of luck with it.

What has my Marea got to do with the 500??

Quite a lot in fact. I would dread to think what threads are going to be posted on the 500 in the future.

very true, I could say it's OK to use lard, I could say it's OK to use wallpaper paste BUT it's not me saying it's OK to use the ASDA oil.
The handbook say its OK to use a C2 or C3 oil.
The handbook says it's OK to use a 5w/30 synthetic oil
The ASDA oil meets these requirements, So I'm agreeing with the fact that it's OK to use the ASDA oil

Glad we agree on that.
The implied use of C3 is for emergency use and should be changed ASAP. MiTo handbook is much more specific on the use of ACEA C2 (post #41) & that has the 1.3 MJ.

And I quote
"lubricants with at least ACEA C2" AT LEAST.
"The use of products with features lower than ACEA C2 and ACEA C3 could cause engine damage and are not covered by warranty"

What I don't understand is that if Castrol, Halford's technical department, the OILMAN and others are recommending that ACEA C2 should be used for the newer Fiat Multi-jet why would anyone use ACEA C3.

If you can get someone to corroborate that ACEA C3 can be used for diesels I would be open to changing my viewpoint. In the meantime I'll take your 'recommendation' with a pinch of sodium chloride.

 

[madrat]

Well for what it's worth I nipped into FIAT today to have a word with their service manager Anyway, he said theres not much difference between C2 & C3 technicaly and that it would be fine to use it but he's not sure if it would affect the warranty. I pointed out that our 500 was out of warranty and that it wouldn't be a problem to which he agreed. I also asked him if it would have any affect on the DPF he said he wouldn't think so but went off and had a word with someone so I went and helped myself to the free coffee. When he came back he said if it did have any affect on the DPF it would only be a positive one as C3 oil is a slightly higher grade than C2 oil but the fact is theirs not much between them and most oils that were classed as C2 also meet the C3 grade and if it meets the C3 grade it has to meet the C2 grade. I also asked him about the Fiat classification on oil. He said not all oil manufacturers are willing to print every individual spec on there bottles and most go with the big Players , Ford, GM etc.

So take from that what you will.

 

[bgunn]

Taking the word of a dealership service manager as gospel. Lol, you'll learn.

I would be speaking to a Tribologist working for FPT to get advice about oils with their engines, tbh. Otherwise, just use what they suggest in the service documentation.

 

[madrat]

did you not see the

 

[306maxi]

Well for what it's worth I nipped into FIAT today to have a word with their service manager Anyway, he said theres not much difference between C2 & C3 technicaly and that it would be fine to use it but he's not sure if it would affect the warranty. I pointed out that our 500 was out of warranty and that it wouldn't be a problem to which he agreed. I also asked him if it would have any affect on the DPF he said he wouldn't think so but went off and had a word with someone so I went and helped myself to the free coffee. When he came back he said if it did have any affect on the DPF it would only be a positive one as C3 oil is a slightly higher grade than C2 oil but the fact is theirs not much between them and most oils that were classed as C2 also meet the C3 grade and if it meets the C3 grade it has to meet the C2 grade. I also asked him about the Fiat classification on oil. He said not all oil manufacturers are willing to print every individual spec on there bottles and most go with the big Players , Ford, GM etc.

So take from that what you will.

I'm sorry but that's an absolute load of rubbish. there have been countless links which show that a c3 oil does NOT meet the c2 specs......

 

[madrat]

As I say "take from that what you will"

But what makes the info from the various links provided so reliable??

 

[306maxi]

As I say "take from that what you will"

But what makes the info from the various links provided so reliable??

Because one of the links was from ACEA?

 

[madrat]

That's fair enough then
and the others?