General Oh! Oh! something wrong with 2.4JTD clutch

[bridges]

Means you can't do that manly thing of reving the engine from the engine bay by twisting the throttle linkage

Ha ha, very true. when trying to re-assure someone who looks doubtful of my mechanical ability when under a bonnet then it is this Seems to work everytime.

 

[faster4_tec]

ahhh, but can you start your engine from the engine bay
(as long as the key is in )

 

[jug]

Hellcat, that sounds like a release bearing.

if it was the other way round (noise when pedal pressed) i would think it could be the release bearing. but if your noise goes away when the pedal is pressed it cant be the release bearing, its usually the input shaft bearing in cases like this. however i doubt thats the problem in this case because you also have gear selection problems, and specifically intermittent problems, which suggests the problem is a worn or damaged diaphram spring (like the damage in faster4_tec's 1st pic).

it definately doesnt sound like slave cylinder problems, when that happens the clutch pedal moves very easily (you're pumping air). i wouldnt waste money changing it, save the money for the new clutch because you will be buying one

 

[Hellcat]

It's going to get slave cylinder replaced along with the new clutch. Not worth risking it for the sake of £20

 

[faster4_tec]

jug, mine was mostly silent when pedal was up, but made noise when depressed at various %age's

but for the other 40% of the time it would make a screaming racket when the pedal was up, and be quiet for th most part when depressed.

 

[jug]

jug, mine was mostly silent when pedal was up, but made noise when depressed at various %age's

but for the other 40% of the time it would make a screaming racket when the pedal was up, and be quiet for th most part when depressed.

so it was completely fuct

 

[bridges]

if it was the other way round (noise when pedal pressed) i would think it could be the release bearing. but if your noise goes away when the pedal is pressed it cant be the release bearing,

Very true, must engage brain before replying.
I am a bit slow you know

@faster4_tec if the ignition is on then I suppose a hot wire to the starter solenoid would fire things up.

 

[Hellcat]

Remember the 2.4 clutch operates differently to a normal thrust bearing.

 

[faster4_tec]

any diagrams to show how???

I remember someone explaining it before (maybe you?). but it seemed pretty elaborate. don't mk2 punto jtd's use a similar style of clutch mechanism?

 

[Hellcat]

any diagrams to show how???

I remember someone explaining it before (maybe you?). but it seemed pretty elaborate. don't mk2 punto jtd's use a similar style of clutch mechanism?

Merry Christmas!

 

[faster4_tec]

wow thx.

that clutch mechanism really "sucks" doesn't it. LOL

quick looks at ebay shows the mk2 puntos have the same drawn release.
ingenious, although this was how I originally thought clutchs work. however I was brought up on a staple diet of saabs and turbo saabs, and I think they also use the same idea, after all, they did build the first production turbo cars anyways (well as far as the western world is concerned, cough "russia", cough)

 

[Hellcat]

Think we've entered the end game...


Today, stuck behind a new toyota mr2 thing up a 40mph single lane with ghost islands who was slowing to 30ish.. he eventually indictes, I indicate to overtake, drop a gear and... hold on.. its not going into gear..

try 4th again.. won't go in. try 3rd.. no.. 5th? no aargh!

I'm going uphill and the toyota has stopped, picked up someone and is gaining. High embaressment possible.

Eventually after dropping to about 20 I manage to get 3rd. But that's it. Had to abandon at Valeen's and call for the emergency Bravo

 

[Valeen]

aye i have a great view from the window can see 2 mareas 2.4 jtd one weekend one saloon and one working car between the two off them if you swap and change a few items :bang:

 

[Hellcat]

aye i have a great view from the window can see 2 mareas 2.4 jtd one weekend one saloon and one working car between the two off them if you swap and change a few items :bang:

No getting any ideas! I've got that altenator marked

 

[Valeen]

No getting any ideas! I've got that altenator marked

ive just been double checking my clutch was still there in case you doubled back

 

[LASSIE1010]

There was to types of clutch fitted to the 2.4
one was the normal press in finger type clutch,
the other was a pull type clutch with a fitted circlip which lock's into place when fitted.
The circlip type mean's you cannot get the gearbox out unless you undo and remove the clutch cover with the gearbox

 

[Hellcat]

Ok so it's been a while since I've posted in here. Basically I've been putting in the hours at work to afford the work.

Managed to drive the car to FAST using clutchless gear changes. They have got the gearbox off and reported back. The verdict:
- Clutch is dead. The pressure forks have cracked at the outside - not had chance to have a look yet but will get some photos.
- Slave cylinder fell apart when removed. No worries, its £20.
- Flywheel has some play in the dual-mass.

Looking at a total cost of £1040 including labour, fluids, clutch, flywheel, slave cylinder and release sleave. Without the flywheel there is only a £450ish saving and it might break up after a couple of months - requiring a full £1000 on top of the £600ish this time.

Guess this is the time to test how much I love my 2.4

 

[Venters]

Its alot of money!
But how many time have people here said they were going to sell a car because they had spent too much fixing it.
For people here to say but these things you have fixed won't break again for a very long time now, and any car you replace it with may have you back at square one!
Havent checked so may be wrong!
Weren't you one of them once or twice?

Not trying to influence you or anything tho!

 

[Hellcat]

Actually I'm the 'Yeah it's a grand but I could buy a £5000 car and have the clutch fail on that next week' kinda guy.

With this done I should have a good 6 years or more of clutch-trouble free motoring. I can go for the full whack remap and not have to worry about slipping. :slayer:

 

[DAlex]

Hellcat, look on the bright side, with a new clutch and a full no holds barred remap you'll be able to get to work in double quick time , proberbly get there before you set off!!
More time at work means more money, go on go for it !!!

When your at the bottom of that hill and you floor it - you know "She's worth it"

DAlex