Technical Odd brake issue.

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Technical Odd brake issue.

Bearing in mind that this may not be your problem at all, but it's worth knowing if you work on your brakes...When the actuator (in this case the wheel cylinder) is at the top, the leading shoe is the one closer to the front of the vehicle. Because it's firmly anchored at the bottom, as the top edge of the lining is pushed out onto the drum, the rotation of the drum will tend to pull the shoe out and apply the brake harder- this is the 'self servo' effect (disc brakes don't do this, so they have a 'vacuum servo', otherwise known as a 'booster'). To lessen this effect somewhat and avoid the brakes tending to grab, the top part of that shoe will often have the lining material either chamfered, or starting further down the shoe, so the top part of the shoe has an area with no lining. A new set of four brake shoes will have two with lining all the way to the top, and two with a gap at the top- the latter is the leading shoe and has to be fitted in that position. Note that this principle isn't used on all cars, may not have been used on the 500 (I haven't dismantled my brakes yet, I pulled the assemblies off whole and put them aside for later attention) and may not be used in aftermarket replacements even if it was used originally...HOWEVER if this feature IS present on your brake shoes, they MUST be fitted in the right place.
This is getting longwinded but it's hard to explain briefly, again it may be irrelevant to your problem but anyone working on drum brakes needs to know it. The picture in this post shows it well- look at the difference in the two brake shoes. They are oriented correctly.
Thank you, I have a feeling my shoes seem to be 'ambidextrous', but will check another pair I have. Thank you.
 
Okay, a little update, took the rear brakes apart and everything looks fine, wear looks the same on all 4 shoes, cylinders move correctly and handbrake connections also okay BUT on the 'locking up' wheel we had a silver thick spring, one of the new ones which I have heard can give issues. It's a long shot as it was the bottom one on the brake shoe mechanism. We have now changed this to an old stock brown we had, and also have swapped the shoes over to the other side too, to see if the issue changes sides. Everything else looks okay and I can't see how the bottom spring being stronger could make the brake lock up, but who knows, will test drive asap and let you know.
 
Okay, a little update, took the rear brakes apart and everything looks fine, wear looks the same on all 4 shoes, cylinders move correctly and handbrake connections also okay BUT on the 'locking up' wheel we had a silver thick spring, one of the new ones which I have heard can give issues. It's a long shot as it was the bottom one on the brake shoe mechanism. We have now changed this to an old stock brown we had, and also have swapped the shoes over to the other side too, to see if the issue changes sides. Everything else looks okay and I can't see how the bottom spring being stronger could make the brake lock up, but who knows, will test drive asap and let you know.
The shoes aren't quite 'ambidextrous' in that a number of the "pattern" shoes have the lining in the same position (and have the same amount of lining) on all the shoes in the pack. If they ARE as "Pete O" described, fit them that way. The problem with the "pattern" springs is that most of them are too short, and therefore exert too much "return" pressure when the brakes are applied. Couple this with the fact that the friction washers fitted to the "pattern" self-adjusters do not seem to be as 'grippy' as the Factory original is what leads to quite a few brake problems---a "long" brake pedal being one of them (the brake pedal has to move a long way down before it gets hard).The way round the spring problem is (a) use the original springs if at all possible or, (b) CAREFULLY pull the new springs out too the same length as the Factory original
 
The shoes aren't quite 'ambidextrous' in that a number of the "pattern" shoes have the lining in the same position (and have the same amount of lining) on all the shoes in the pack. If they ARE as "Pete O" described, fit them that way. The problem with the "pattern" springs is that most of them are too short, and therefore exert too much "return" pressure when the brakes are applied. Couple this with the fact that the friction washers fitted to the "pattern" self-adjusters do not seem to be as 'grippy' as the Factory original is what leads to quite a few brake problems---a "long" brake pedal being one of them (the brake pedal has to move a long way down before it gets hard).The way round the spring problem is (a) use the original springs if at all possible or, (b) CAREFULLY pull the new springs out too the same length as the Factory original
Hello, thank you for the reply. We have spoken recently via email.
We have managed to use 4 original springs now, and have swapped the shoes over to opposite sides of the car. On looking at the shoes they seemed the same to me. I'm hoping that either the issue has swapped sides meaning we know where to go next (cylinder hoses etc, as we have already done on the front!) or the replacement of the big thicker silver spring has helped somehow.
 
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