Come to think of it, the Stratos and Integrale (and the 037) were ridiculously successful competition cars. I can't think of another manufacturer (in rallying) which even comes close.
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Audi? with their Quattro which started the whole 4wd rally thing?.
But were beaten by the rear wheel drive 037!
Audi have won the WRC only twice (less than, well, just about everyone, including FIAT): Lancia 10 times. Ten times!
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Audi have won the WRC only twice (less than, well, just about everyone, including FIAT): Lancia 10 times. Ten times!
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They were thrashed by the RWD 037, though.
Audi have won the WRC only twice, less than just about everyone -- including FIAT. Lancia have won it 10 times.
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They were thrashed by the RWD 037, though.
Audi have won the WRC only twice, less than just about everyone -- including FIAT. Lancia have won it 10 times.
It's 11 times ! Ahhhh
1992 Lancia (Integrale Evoluzione)
1991 Lancia (Integrale 16V)
1990 Lancia (Integrale 16V)
1989 Lancia (Integrale 8V)
1988 Lancia (Integrale 8V)
1987 Lancia (Delta 4WD)
1983 Lancia (037)
1976 Lancia (Stratos)
1975 Lancia (Stratos)
1974 Lancia (Stratos)
1972 Lancia (Fulvia HF)
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My bad -- WikiPaedia got it wrong! :bang:
I think a few people are abit mis-informed - the Lancia/Chrysler Delta shares a platform (and quite alot more) with the Fiat Bravo.
However, Alfa's Guilietta has it's own brand new platform & only shares one engine (the 1.4 TJET 120) in the same configuration, with the Delta.
Delta's engine's mirror the Bravo, except for the TJET 120 as per Guilietta:
1.4 TJET 120 (above)
1.4 MultiAir 140 (as Bravo Dynamic & Sport)
1.6 MultiJet 120 (as Bravo Dynamic)
1.6 MultiJet 120 Auto (as Bravo Dynamic Auto)
2.0 MultiJet 165 (as Bravo Sport)
Giulietta engines as follows:
1.4 TJET 120
1.4 MultiAir 170
1.6 MultiJet 105
2.0 MultiJet 140
2.0 MultiJet 170
1.7 TBi 235
It'd seem that Fiat Group are pitching the Chrysler/Lancia at the luxury/niche end of the market (with the two-tone paintwork & plush finishes on offer), with the Alfa and it's more powerful engine offerings filling the sporty section (pretty obvious place for Alfa to be). The Bravo remains as the budget choice, although its pricing could do with being lowered to fully meet that criteria!
I reckon if Fiat Group can get the Alfa 159 replacement, Chrysler/Lancia Ypsilon, new Panda/Punto and a new Abarth model out in a timely manner, they *might* just convince people of where theyre going with brand identities. With Chrysler & Alfa essentially having two-model line-ups, they'll soon run out of steam.
However, Alfa's Guilietta has it's own brand new platform & only shares one engine (the 1.4 TJET 120) in the same configuration, with the Delta.
Delta's engine's mirror the Bravo, except for the TJET 120 as per Guilietta:
1.4 TJET 120 (above)
1.4 MultiAir 140 (as Bravo Dynamic & Sport)
1.6 MultiJet 120 (as Bravo Dynamic)
1.6 MultiJet 120 Auto (as Bravo Dynamic Auto)
2.0 MultiJet 165 (as Bravo Sport)
Giulietta engines as follows:
1.4 TJET 120
1.4 MultiAir 170
1.6 MultiJet 105
2.0 MultiJet 140
2.0 MultiJet 170
1.7 TBi 235
It'd seem that Fiat Group are pitching the Chrysler/Lancia at the luxury/niche end of the market (with the two-tone paintwork & plush finishes on offer), with the Alfa and it's more powerful engine offerings filling the sporty section (pretty obvious place for Alfa to be). The Bravo remains as the budget choice, although its pricing could do with being lowered to fully meet that criteria!
I reckon if Fiat Group can get the Alfa 159 replacement, Chrysler/Lancia Ypsilon, new Panda/Punto and a new Abarth model out in a timely manner, they *might* just convince people of where theyre going with brand identities. With Chrysler & Alfa essentially having two-model line-ups, they'll soon run out of steam.
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Lots of mis information on this forum which as a Fiat and Lancia owner and user of a Jeep tow car for my racing Fulvia, I find rather sad.
It is Fiat who are blessing the Yanks with small cars and modern small engine technology. The Delta and Ypsilon are both true Italian cars. No USA underpinnings. Just rebadged for RHD and US markets as Chryslers. It is the first time they have been able to offer a B segment car.
For more informed debate on the issues see the Lancia Motor Club GB forums.
By the way the Stratos was in development before Fiat took over and had a Fulvia V4 in first prototype. :bang::bang::bang:
It is Fiat who are blessing the Yanks with small cars and modern small engine technology. The Delta and Ypsilon are both true Italian cars. No USA underpinnings. Just rebadged for RHD and US markets as Chryslers. It is the first time they have been able to offer a B segment car.
For more informed debate on the issues see the Lancia Motor Club GB forums.
By the way the Stratos was in development before Fiat took over and had a Fulvia V4 in first prototype. :bang::bang::bang:
It's a shame the Delta & Ypsilon have ended up badged as Chrysler in the UK (and Ireland) but i suppose because the UK has never wanted large Italian cars in any quantity & Chrysler/Lancia will eventually have several larger models joining the range, it's easier to sell two smaller Lancias badged as Chrysler than it would be to badge the big Chryslers as Lancia & expect the UK to buy them.
It looks odd having two very Italian models in a USA makers showroom at the moment, but once the range is added to i think it'll become more apparant why they've gone with the Chrysler badge in the UK.
On the subject of the Delta i think the name actually sounds very American (unlike Ypsilon) but the Ypsilon looks alot easier on the eye. The Delta looks abit awkward to my eyes, though curiously it seems to get more positive reviews in the press than the Ypsilon.
It looks odd having two very Italian models in a USA makers showroom at the moment, but once the range is added to i think it'll become more apparant why they've gone with the Chrysler badge in the UK.
On the subject of the Delta i think the name actually sounds very American (unlike Ypsilon) but the Ypsilon looks alot easier on the eye. The Delta looks abit awkward to my eyes, though curiously it seems to get more positive reviews in the press than the Ypsilon.
I really like the Delta, unfortunately they have imported it withe the wrong badge and the wrong engine
Looks like I will have to import a LHD Lancia Delta with the 1.8 petrol :devil:
Looks like I will have to import a LHD Lancia Delta with the 1.8 petrol :devil:
I have no doubt it was. But the final car came under Fiat with the Ferrari v6
Out of curiousity what was the connection with Lancia and Ferrari. Shared engines a couple of times
I think the original connection was pretty much patriotic, with, IIRC, Agnelli (of FIAT) acting as a go-between per la Patria.
The V6 Dino engine was simply there -- FIAT used it in a Coupe, Lancia in the Stratos. Ferrari wanted to run with the new V8.
The Thema engine was heavily re-worked for Lancia (and resulted in a car which was much more expensive -- and slower -- than the 2 litre turbo 4 ). Still, it had a certain cache.
The V6 Dino engine was simply there -- FIAT used it in a Coupe, Lancia in the Stratos. Ferrari wanted to run with the new V8.
The Thema engine was heavily re-worked for Lancia (and resulted in a car which was much more expensive -- and slower -- than the 2 litre turbo 4 ). Still, it had a certain cache.
For the "original connection" I mean the D50, which Ferrari took over, hook line and designer (Jano) when Lancia were in dire financial straits and had simply run out of drivers.
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I wonder how easy it would be to get the Lancia grille and badges fitted to one of these. I really like the Delta and secondhand ones are now under 10k....
external badges can be changed easily, interior will be more of a challenge
really interested in these at mo, going for a test drive and poke around at the weekend
test drove two Deltas today
a Delta SR multiair 140 in white with back roof
a Delta Limited multijet 165 in metallic dark blue
the multiair was slow and unresponsive, wouldn't produce full boost. basdly needs SPORT button, would probably be ok then
the multijet was quicker but ultimately unrewarding to drive
interior on anything but Limited NAV spec is cheap and tacky, even the Limited has BEIGE headlining and a pillars
not a drivers car, too many nannying driver aids
would suit an older person downsizing from a Mercedes though
a Delta SR multiair 140 in white with back roof
a Delta Limited multijet 165 in metallic dark blue
the multiair was slow and unresponsive, wouldn't produce full boost. basdly needs SPORT button, would probably be ok then
the multijet was quicker but ultimately unrewarding to drive
interior on anything but Limited NAV spec is cheap and tacky, even the Limited has BEIGE headlining and a pillars
not a drivers car, too many nannying driver aids
would suit an older person downsizing from a Mercedes though
