a car CAN pass an mot without lights, if the car is only to be used during the daylight hours.
MOT and Rear Fogs
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MOT and Rear Fogs
NumanR
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MOT tester here, and a motor vehicle must have obligatory lights.
well i have asked a couple of mot testers, and they say that if the car hasnt got lights, then they cant fail it.
NumanR
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Obligatory lamps are lamps that are required by law.
There is also no provision in the MOT for issuing a certificate for a car that only drives during the day. Any obligatory lamp that is missing is a reason for failure.
There is also no provision in the MOT for issuing a certificate for a car that only drives during the day. Any obligatory lamp that is missing is a reason for failure.
sumplug
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having seen the size of the cluster,i think there is a part you can use.the jap MX5's have different smaller round rear lights?.turn all the lights on and have a look.
chris.the lights appear on the mot check list.so come mot time,they must work.but what you say about daytime with no lights is true.this is a grey area which needs sorting.
chris.the lights appear on the mot check list.so come mot time,they must work.but what you say about daytime with no lights is true.this is a grey area which needs sorting.
Sorry NumanR. just asked my neighbour (AA patrolman who was mot tester), and he says the only time a car doesnt need headlights is if it wasnt fitted with them when new, and usually means cars built around the time cars had candle power
edit - off the ukmot website...
1.1) Note: Headlamps are not required on vehicles first used before 1 January 1931
edit - off the ukmot website...
1.1) Note: Headlamps are not required on vehicles first used before 1 January 1931
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sumplug said:having seen the size of the cluster,i think there is a part you can use.the jap MX5's have different smaller round rear lights?.turn all the lights on and have a look.
chris.the lights appear on the mot check list.so come mot time,they must work.but what you say about daytime with no lights is true.this is a grey area which needs sorting.
All Mx5's (Mk1 till 98) have the same rear lights.....
(dosen't matter if there Brit, Jap, or Auzzi)
Jim
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British spec cars just have light that's moulded to sit out on the edge of the rear bumper....
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NumanR
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No problem Christopher, its easy to get misled by people hearing things third hand etc. I have MOT'd alot of vintage cars and you would be amazed at what they can get away with. Regarding the regulations for MOT, hopefully the mistakes that have been made in the past by testers, (probably perfectly honest mistakes) will be eliminated by the current introduction of MOT computerisation. This should only allow the failure of items by official terms, meaning that if it isnt written as a reason for failure then the tester cannot fail the item. This moves the tester away from worrying about terminology and inspecting the vehicle correctly. Currently the MOT testers only get a refresher course every 5 years, hopefully with computerisation of results, patterns will emerge to highlight problem testers, and stations, to move training to where its required.
A good site is www.vosa.gov.uk
Its the official site from the government.
A good site is www.vosa.gov.uk
Its the official site from the government.
as for a bracket,i meant a temp fot to pass the mot.
doesnt have to be pretty just high enough and secure you if it was me and i was keeping the hairdryer um i mean car i owuld want a more permanent fix.
i would cut into the bumper or get the more OE spec curved back ones
doesnt have to be pretty just high enough and secure you if it was me and i was keeping the hairdryer um i mean car
i owuld want a more permanent fix.i would cut into the bumper or get the more OE spec curved back ones
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christopher watson said:
I've been there already and that's why I'm confused cause SVA testing would state the 240mm rule but the MOT guidelines are just is it working....
I'm wondering if the tester is getting construction rules and regs mixed up with MOT rules...
Jim
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where abouts are you NumanR, as i my Mercedes needs an mot
dave said:
that looks orange, if its anything other than red, it will fail.
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MOT computerisation sucks its going to take an hour to test a car then, even if the car is only 4 years old and done 5k miles you still got to leave your card in for an hour or they will think you havent done it right but a 4 year old low mile car is not going to need so long to check as sday an old rover 213 also the dodgy places will just stick the ega up the exhaust of a diffrent car to pass
its going to take an hour to test a car then, even if the car is only 4 years old and done 5k miles you still got to leave your card in for an hour or they will think you havent done it right but a 4 year old low mile car is not going to need so long to check as sday an old rover 213 also the dodgy places will just stick the ega up the exhaust of a diffrent car to pass
nar that be the flashchristopher watson said:
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dave said:MOT computerisation sucks
Ours only takes about 15 minutes, the car moves down what's like a 'production line' going from Co test to brakes to underbody inspection.
The wonders of a goverment run MOT system!
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NumanR
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If its a VOSA mot station then you are lucky, most garages dont have the space to do the production line system. Do you do it like the trucks where a tester clips a card to say he has checked that item and then passes it down the line to another tester?
I am not computerised yet so I cant comment.
I am not computerised yet so I cant comment.
