Some woman tried to get me to join a union, she got arrested later that night and mental health people came for her too, she ran around the hotel part naked
I wonder if that was intended as an incentive to join?
minimum wage - help and advice
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I wonder if that was intended as an incentive to join?
I hope I'm never subject to your common sense then!
And you're still allowed to give positions based on a minimum age if you can prove it would be financially unviable, or be putting people at risk.
In the above case, it would cost millions for a company to change its insurance, so they are not forced.
Although IIRC you still need to be 35 to become PM, bit of a random age!
Yes, make a personal comment rather than justify yourself, great response...
Firstly, on average - which is where it matters - people under 21 have fewer costs than post 21s due to not being a house owner. Secondly, and most importantly, if the minimum age was a flat rate for all ages it would prevent experience lacking 16 year olds from getting a job, on average. Fantastic....
Now what would be absurd and hated by the entire of the UK's industry - bar unions - would be if a flatrate was introduced, thus giving no incentive to provide employment for experience lacking young people. This is why it's common sense and rare for the government to do it.
It's politically incorrect to not offer a flat rate so I suppose it might offend you in that way, but fortunately there are serious economical and social reasons for it to be like that and as of yet, no PC busybody has managed to get it changed.
So you agree that the government is right to have two seperate laws that contradict eachother?
THATS the common sense I wish to avoid
THATS the common sense I wish to avoid
Firstly, it is right in this instance, just changing a law which benefits the economy for the sake of another law would be plain silly; PC gone mad.
Secondly, the laws do not contradict each other anyway, so don't write that, it's wrong. The DTI has already stated that the minimum wage age differences can be "objectively justified", as required by the age discrimination law. Hence the laws do not contradict but support each other.
An age discrimination law is necessary and beneficial to young people but it doesn't mean age discrimination is always wrong, there are times, such as when it can be justified, when it is not just necessary but beneficial to the economy.
Secondly, the laws do not contradict each other anyway, so don't write that, it's wrong. The DTI has already stated that the minimum wage age differences can be "objectively justified", as required by the age discrimination law. Hence the laws do not contradict but support each other.
An age discrimination law is necessary and beneficial to young people but it doesn't mean age discrimination is always wrong, there are times, such as when it can be justified, when it is not just necessary but beneficial to the economy.
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Lol No she was some stinking hippy nutjob type. We have an ATM at work and she picked up someone's advice slip and was trying to tell me it meant where I work is in debt, and I said no that means whoever withdrew money is that deep into their overdraft. I was drunk yet she still couldn't convince me
i was going to join a union but changed my mind
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If you're in a trade type profession then a union is worth while. Part time work whats the point, they don't particulary give a **** about you, you don't give a **** about them as there's always another supermarket/restaurant/shop etc you can work in.
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im just wondering if you have signed a contract on a salary or waged basis ??
cause if you have signed a salary then its a case of find another job or contact ACAS @ www.acas.co.uk
and find ur local office
hope this helps
shaun
im just wondering if you have signed a contract on a salary or waged basis ??
cause if you have signed a salary then its a case of find another job or contact ACAS @ www.acas.co.uk
and find ur local office
hope this helps
shaun
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woah! this has moved on since i last looked!
still having no outcome yet my boss is supposed to be speaking to the area manager about it but not heard anything back its been almost 2 weeks now since i first pointed it out and ive had no outcome.
im not a part of a union unfortunatly. doesnt seem to be any in this business. and my pay was what i originally signed in my contract in august. but that was supposed to be reviewed after 3 months and wasnt!
really peed off!
still having no outcome yet
my boss is supposed to be speaking to the area manager about it but not heard anything back its been almost 2 weeks now since i first pointed it out and ive had no outcome. im not a part of a union unfortunatly. doesnt seem to be any in this business. and my pay was what i originally signed in my contract in august. but that was supposed to be reviewed after 3 months and wasnt!
really peed off!
doesnt matter what you 'signed' for as it cannot overide a legal minimum.
you will be entitled to back pay as well.
is there no payroll and/or HR you can contact directly? on their todo lists i doubt you are high on the managers/A managers list
you will be entitled to back pay as well.
is there no payroll and/or HR you can contact directly? on their todo lists i doubt you are high on the managers/A managers list
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there is a payroll but i dont think they will do anything without A/managers agreement. its up to the A/managers to arrange all pay in our region as there is a pay budget per region.
and as for managers list. hes list isnt that long! he knows hes got to do it!
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woah! this has moved on since i last looked!
still having no outcome yet
im not a part of a union unfortunatly. doesnt seem to be any in this business. and my pay was what i originally signed in my contract in august. but that was supposed to be reviewed after 3 months and wasnt!
really peed off!
Welcome to my grief, I've been pestering my boss about it for a month, it needs to go to the area manager then his manager apparently, but TBH I think they are just blagging me, this sounds similar.
Dont think its been put in this thread yet, but call this number.
0845 6000 678
The government takes a dim view of employers not paying minimum wage, beacause that means they cant tax you as much!
Oh an by the way, the laws do contradict each other, they just quote exceptions in they way they are written. However for you and me on the face of it, they are making one rule for one, and another for another.
edit: linky http://www.dti.gov.uk/files/file34228.pdf
0845 6000 678
The government takes a dim view of employers not paying minimum wage, beacause that means they cant tax you as much!
Oh an by the way, the laws do contradict each other, they just quote exceptions in they way they are written. However for you and me on the face of it, they are making one rule for one, and another for another.
edit: linky http://www.dti.gov.uk/files/file34228.pdf
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An exception thus meaning that the age discrimination law does not contradict the other...LOL.
The law allows for justified age discrimination, which the DTI is happy is correct in the minimum wage discussion. As an exception, it's part of the law.
"One can not be discriminated against their age except if....". Almost all laws have exceptions and this one is no different.
The law allows for justified age discrimination, which the DTI is happy is correct in the minimum wage discussion. As an exception, it's part of the law.
"One can not be discriminated against their age except if....". Almost all laws have exceptions and this one is no different.
Geez, are you still going?
Pot kettle....
How in the world can you make such a reply considering your previous post?
How in the world can you make such a reply considering your previous post?
Perhaps I vote labour :nutter:
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cheers randoman, ive already seen that number but dont want to use it yet as i know the company will be an arse with me if i do that. so im just treading carefully atm. really going to push it next week when im in.
Might be worth giving them a shout, just to see what their process is. Could be an anonymous (sp?) tip off thing they can do. Either way, a call just to see your options cant hurt
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