Yes, I used to have a Punto Evo and a few people on here had problems with melted lenses.
Technical Install original xenon headlights on a non-xenon Bravo
- Thread starter FCS
- Start date
Currently reading:
Technical Install original xenon headlights on a non-xenon Bravo
Yes, I used to have a Punto Evo and a few people on here had problems with melted lenses.
I must admit from moving to the Punto from the Bravo the reflector lamps are much better. And that's with standard factory bulbs in compared to the Philips extreme ones in the bravo.
- Joined
- Jun 3, 2008
- Messages
- 2,495
- Points
- 455
Reflector lamps are better for halogen bulbs. That's why the non-xenon audi have reflectors, and xenons have projectors.
HALOGEN:
XENON:
LED:
That's what fiat should have done.
HALOGEN:
XENON:
LED:
That's what fiat should have done.
Last edited:
Crispy boss
New member
- Joined
- Oct 28, 2012
- Messages
- 167
- Points
- 21
any pictures of the lights shining against a wall?
does it still have a clear sharp line?
does it still have a clear sharp line?
nighbreakers are not xenon, their simple halogen bulbs.
Xenon is the name of the gaz that is used inside HID bulbs.
You can call them HID or XENON, you're still talking about the same thing and both are correct terms.
Most Easterly Pandas, stop confusing people.
I'm not confusing people, it is you.
Xenon is the gas in the bulb, which is what nightbreakers etc have in them (just like HIDs) dispite being 'filament' bulb rather than an Arc / High Intenstiy Discharge (HID).
Halogen Filamentbulbs are not the same Xenon Filament bulbs, just as Xenon Filament Bulbs are not the sams as Xenon HID bulbs.
Yes
It has to to prevent scatter and dazzle, hense why HID's don't work in reflector or refractor headlamp units.
- Joined
- Jun 3, 2008
- Messages
- 2,495
- Points
- 455
I'm not confusing people, it is you.
Xenon is the gas in the bulb, which is what nightbreakers etc have in them (just like HIDs) dispite being 'filament' bulb rather than an Arc / High Intenstiy Discharge (HID).
Halogen Filamentbulbs are not the same Xenon Filament bulbs, just as Xenon Filament Bulbs are not the sams as Xenon HID bulbs.
Are you telling me osram halogen bulbs are xenon?
Do your homework and come back, it takes thousands of volts of electric discharge to excite xenon atoms to produce light. A filament bulb is just a wire that is burning without consuming itself. The gaz that is inside a holgen bulb has no role in the light creation, all it does is replace O² which would make the wire consume itself.
Aftre doing a search, I don't even know where you got that info that nightbreaker halogen bulbs have xenon gaz in them...
Crispy boss
New member
- Joined
- Oct 28, 2012
- Messages
- 167
- Points
- 21
Yes
It has to to prevent scatter and dazzle, hense why HID's don't work in reflector or refractor headlamp units.
I have non xenons but the housings have lenses. So was wondering if an hid kit would work in them without blinding the moon
Reflector lamps are better for halogen bulbs. That's why the non-xenon audi have reflectors, and xenons have projectors.
HALOGEN:
XENON:
LED:
That's what fiat should have done.
So the best answer is fit HIDS! Mine is fine for the time being but when the nights draw in I might have a play.
- Joined
- Jun 3, 2008
- Messages
- 2,495
- Points
- 455
Exactly, because the bravo has projectors, you can use the full potential of HID/Xenon lights without blinding other motorists.
:yeahthat:
But still not legal in some countries.
No all Osram bulbs, but certain bulbs yes.
I've done my homework, year ago, some links with a quick search
http://www.uwkinetics.com/technology/lights-technology/xenon#.UeRHGZWvtpI
http://donklipstein.com/xeincand.html
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=1215214
In short Xenon enables the filament in a filament bulb to burn higher/brighter without consuming itself, thus creating a better light output :idea:
nighbreakers are not xenon, their simple halogen bulbs.
Xenon is the name of the gaz that is used inside HID bulbs.
You can call them HID or XENON, you're still talking about the same thing and both are correct terms.
Most Easterly Pandas, stop confusing people.
ZENON is used in both lamp types the High voltage is used to "light the arc" (think of welding) Old amber street lights are a type of HID as too are garage / warehouse lighting the colour not only comes from the gas but a "metal salt" in the envelope where the arc is lit.... eg sodium gives an orange light
Correct. However here in the UK you would also need the auto levelling lights and light washer jets to be legal
Correct. However here in the UK you would also need the auto levelling lights and light washer jets to be legal
Yes and no. If the car was manufactured before 2010 then no as that regulation didn't come in until then and manufacturers were already fitting hids. Aftermarket kits aren't legal but if the car was made before '10 and was sold with hids (as the bravo was) and your install looks 'oem' it should be fine if the mot station even notice them. If it does get picked up you simply drop in a pair of standard bulbs.
You have a right.
For European countries
97/28/EC
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:31997L0028:en:NOT
Light units have always had to be 'E' marked and type aproved, filament headlamps are only type approved for filament bulbs, so fitting a HID unit still won't technically be legal.
Light units have always had to be 'E' marked and type aproved, filament headlamps are only type approved for filament bulbs, so fitting a HID unit still won't technically be legal.
No, I agree, aftermarket HID kit's aren't legal but not necessarily because of the washers/self leveling issue. There's always going to be a risk they may fail an MOT but it could be made very easy to reverse if necessary.
