Induction Kit :D

[L1MAD]

So K&N finally have released a kit for the 1.4 non turbo Bravo =]

Just wondering if any new bravo owners have fitted an induction kit and if so, got any pictures? Just that the standard airbox on the bravo is massive, and wondering how it looks with the new kit inplace.

Tried a look on FF but people have them, but no pics of kits installed that I can find =/

Cheers
Callum

 

[imported_abyss113]

theres been an iduction kit for a while on the non turbos its just for my blooming turbo versions you cant get one yet apart from a CDA kit

 

[L1MAD]

hah, maybe thats been my rubbish web browsing then :L

 

[muppet42]

Had thought it'd be pretty much identical to the Stilo one as it's basically the same engine which is basically the same as my 1.2. Certainly if it is the K&N 57i is a pretty useless option as like the Powerflow, Pipercross (basic, not Viper) and Novitec all sit basically on the rocker cover/manifold heat shield...

...which isn't ideal. GSR do one as well, but you pay a fair bit for the privilege. BMC CDA is also an option, though again you pay more and the enclosed nature doesn't sound quite as "fruity" as you may like. Regal Motorsport offer cheaper versions of the BMC CDA that do the job just as well and look just as good. Or of course, you could do what I did and make your own for between £70-90 depending on how many times you muck it up :laugh: ...

...either way it should sound good. The 1.4 though not the loudest after induction sounds pretty decent above 3000rpm. Stick a decent exhaust system on there as well and it should sound good as well as getting a marginal performance gain :smile:

 

[Stuart]

Martyn had one on his HGT iirc, performance wise, ive yet to see an induction kit increase power in any n/a car, sound will be awesome tho

 

[mrcinquecento]

Martyn had one on his HGT iirc, performance wise, ive yet to see an induction kit increase power in any n/a car, sound will be awesome tho

you must be used to seeing crap induction kits then not saying the gains are huge but they are proven on many kits and cars.

 

[L1MAD]

Cheers Rob, i Remember at Hopetoun House, the engines were pretty much identical. As we all know the new bravo is a stilo in new clothes.

It's the noise that I'm really after 1 or 2 more hp though and I wouldn't complain

Just got slated on fiat forum. Basicaly told no point wasting money on small capacity n/a lumps...pah my car mate.

 

[muppet42]

Martyn had one on his HGT iirc, performance wise, ive yet to see an induction kit increase power in any n/a car, sound will be awesome tho

Dunno if it was just the placebo effect of noise and such but it felt a bit more responsive after I fitted mine. Think the best thing to do is combine it with other things like the exhaust, make sure the engine's running decent and then get it remapped to get the best from the bits you've bolted on.

Saying that, even with the exhaust, induction and a remap (if I ever get one) I doubt I'd even get to the 100hp mark. I'm happy where it is the now though, sounds nice and purposeful and I can still get a healthy MPG :smile:

My mate Ally with his 106 did get his rolling roaded after he fitted better plugs, Nissens rad, 57i and a back box and he managed to get 72hp out of his wee 1.1, so he managed to gain some 13hp up on standard, which I thought was a pretty decent gain for the outlay. Pretty nippy too, though that was a sub-800kg car.

 

[mrcinquecento]

My mate Ally with his 106 did get his rolling roaded after he fitted better plugs, Nissens rad, 57i and a back box and he managed to get 72hp out of his wee 1.1, so he managed to gain some 13hp up on standard, which I thought was a pretty decent gain for the outlay. Pretty nippy too, though that was a sub-800kg car.

my cinq should be very slightly more powerful and decently lighter than the 106, so it'd have the pug for breakfast

 

[Stuart]

power increase and responsiveness is 2 totally different things

kit cars are more likely to see inprovements as generally their engines have been fettled with more than an a 1.4 fiat is likely to be.

EDit: yep as said, its your car, you certanly wont loose power but will gain noise, go for it

 

[muppet42]

Cheers Rob, i Remember at Hopetoun House, the engines were pretty much identical. As we all know the new bravo is a stilo in new clothes.

It's the noise that I'm really after 1 or 2 more hp though and I wouldn't complain

Just got slated on fiat forum. Basicaly told no point wasting money on small capacity n/a lumps...pah my car mate.

Exhaust as well though I think is a good mod to do. Custom though if you want to get a nice, non-ned type noise out of the car. Best time to do that is when the old system lets go and you needed to replace it anyway. Well, that was the way I justified spending £300 on mine :laugh:

And yeah, that's always said on FF and a few other sites when induction's mentioned on a small engined car. Have seen similar threads develop over 8v 1.2 Punto's. If you keep it to under the £100 mark for induction you'll be onto a winner. Mine was a bit of a mess really and I'm amazed it ended up looking as together as it does. It was a bit of trial and error due to sizes and the like so if you go down the DIY route, be prepared for that. Whatever you do as well, don't cut up the original intake hose, just take it off and replace the whole thing - I still regret doing that to mine though I felt it somewhat necessary. And of course, it did lead to this for a time, which caused a chuckle or two...

:laugh:

 

[mrcinquecento]

power increase and responsiveness is 2 totally different things

kit cars are more likely to see inprovements as generally their engines have been fettled with more than an a 1.4 fiat is likely to be.

yup, but a good quality kit has been proven to add between 2-5bhp and aprox 10nm of tourque to an untouched (bar the induction kit of course) fiat engine aswell as better responsivenes. tbh though, that says more about how restrictive the standard setup is

for example, on my bmw, its pretty tricky to get any kit that increases power, the standard setup isnt far off optimized.

 

[muppet42]

power increase and responsiveness is 2 totally different things

kit cars are more likely to see inprovements as generally their engines have been fettled with more than an a 1.4 fiat is likely to be.

Indeed, I knew the drive-ability of the engine would perhaps change more than the overall power, which was actually what I wanted. I'd seen the power figures the F26i GSR kit was promising, I think they said it was an 8% gain or something but didn't mention anything really about the torque apart from it "increases peak torque dramatically". I figured anything that helps the torque and therefore the drive-ability of the car must be a good thing.

I was initially going to get a GSR but decided after a communication break down with Peter that I'd just build my own for the hell of it and to keep costs down. While that may not get the gains of a "proper" kit, I figured it can't do any harm as long as it's better positioned than the 57i. Plus, the cone's not at the bottom of the engine bay like the F26i, so no issues with deep puddles :smile:

 

[L1MAD]

Mmmm thats the one thing with the 57i, it will sit right near the hot bits =/ There is a K&N model with a heat sheild (memory blank for spelling there) but not one for the Bravo....surely could home-brew a 3 sided box/guard...?

 

[mrcinquecento]

dont get a k and n 57i. even with a cold air feed they seem to transmit more heat to the air than any other kit, that will loose you power.

unless you could relocate the pancake, they are tat IMO.

 

[L1MAD]

Noted about the 57i

BMC site is a bit confusing, replacement filter for 89 dollars for the bravo II series L) no CDA kit though...that I can see

 

[muppet42]

Mmmm thats the one thing with the 57i, it will sit right near the hot bits =/ There is a K&N model with a heat sheild (memory blank for spelling there) but not one for the Bravo....surely could home-brew a 3 sided box/guard...?

There's the Typhoon which is only on select cars but offers some nice pipework for the extra outlay over the basic 57i - with the Stilo it's the 1.6 and the 2.4. There's also another development of the 57i that's more enclosed but again that's only for select cars.

I'd personally stick with a DIY solution or one that takes the cone as far away from the engine as possible without causing problems. Cooling is the key obviously, but also as few bends in the intake as possible and if there are bends to make them as smooth as possible. That's why the GSR and the silicone pipe work is sometimes a really good combination.

I kept it pretty short on the pipework and put the cone right in front of the air hole for the old air feed and it's been effective since I fitted it a fair few months back. A variation on the BMC CDA or something similar to the Pipercross Viper, both of which are on that Regal site are probably the best off the shelf solutions though even with them, some modifying is required to get them to fit.

 

[L1MAD]

DIY is sounding the best idea tbh, being that the GSR kit is 170 odd quid.....

There is plenty space infront of the engine block and infront of the current feed for the stock air box, so I'll sleep on it for a few nights and decide :L

Thanks for all the info =D

 

[muppet42]

DIY is sounding the best idea tbh, being that the GSR kit is 170 odd quid.....

There is plenty space infront of the engine block and infront of the current feed for the stock air box, so I'll sleep on it for a few nights and decide :L

Thanks for all the info =D

No probs. Think from memory, you've got more space to work with in front of the engine than I had, so shouldn't be quite as crammed in as mine is :laugh:

 

[Andi9386]

Callum, I know what you mean about wanting an induction for the noise.

For me it's aftermarket exhaust £150 from Kwikfit slightly larger tailpipe than standard on the Sei Sporting's. then added wee induction kit. Like you it's not always about the BHP more about the noise.

Rob! Springfield Quay, Glasgow or Ayr Shore 31/01/2010 for that pic of the IRNBRU induction kit.