Ok Thanks for that have tried both keys but no differance between them.
Hoping to get it going and go to local garage and get the fault codes read.
Also read a thread on here about dissconecting battery for a hour or more then when you go to start van using main big key (door lock unlock buttons on it) wait until key lock sign goes out before starting then start and stop van remove key put in second plain key do same again.
Any thoughts on the above?
Cheers Mike