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I Have A Confession To Make

Civic has poor depreciation too, as it has a bad reputation

Thought they help their price really well - compare the new shape against anything else and you'll end up paying more for it.

I looked at a 07 Civic Type-R and a 07 Focus ST-3, both similar milage, spec and the ST was cheaper by 2K

...BMW Minis are called BINIs:p

No, they're called Mini's - it says so on the badge! :p

i refer to them as half series...;)

Ah well you are female :D
 
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(y)Well, we opted for the Honda Jazz at the weekend, and it is a truley superb little car.

Add to that the fact that we were told it had 3k on the clock & when we went to collect it only had 600miles on, we are well happy 50mpg around town too.(y)

you gettnig a pink one?:p
 
I like a thought behind a car. I like a soul behind a car. I like the ethos that says, the Multipla may look ugly, but we're going to put some effort into it. We're going to do what, as designers, we're paid to do. Design and style. Sometimes they go astray, but mostly the Italians get it right. The German's never really try that hard. Successive BMWs with their "original" round headlights and their "original" round dials. Look at the VW Touran is simply a box as opposed to the Multipla which is a styling tour de force. Design-wise it's brilliant. What FIAT can't do is build a car that matches the Germans and Japanese for reliability and Ford for driving pleasure. Looking back over the last 40 years, I can think of many classic Italian cars, but not many German ones. The Mini is well made and has excellent handling; but, it's really a pastcihe of the original. It's lost the design and packaging cleverness of 50 years ago. The rear legroom is really no better than the original, neither is the
boot, yet the car is much bigger. The 500 is also bigger than it's forebear but still maintains the original idea of a small compact car that's cheap(ish) to buy and cheap to run. Every time I came out to a 500 I would smile, every time I came out to a new Mini I would think that everyone else bought one for the badge and not what it does, how it does it and what it looks like.
 
Good choice regarding the Honda Jazz they are probably the best hatchback on the market in terms of being pretty decent at everything.

Everyone on here is slating the clubman because it has no soul, passion etc everybody hates the way it looks. I think it looks fantastic

Everybody is forgetting its cars like these that start as ugly ducklings and turn into graceful swans.

Lets go back to 1961 for example, Jaguar brought out their new sports car, the media absolutely panned it to high heaven, if internet forums were around at that time im sure many that have posted on here with their comments about its ugliness, crapness etc would be having a field day.

That car was the e-type jaguar. Look at the status of that car now. Im sure some of you would sell body parts to own a car like that now

I predict the clubman could go a similar way, perhaps not on the scale of the e-type but just you wait and see in 10/15 years time
 
Everybody is forgetting its cars like these that start as ugly ducklings and turn into graceful swans.

Lets go back to 1961 for example, Jaguar brought out their new sports car, the media absolutely panned it to high heaven, if internet forums were around at that time im sure many that have posted on here with their comments about its ugliness, crapness etc would be having a field day.

That car was the e-type jaguar.

The Mk1 E-Type was criticised for the poor gearbox, brakes, and the uncomfortable ride....I don't believe it was ever called ugly.....:eek:
 
yeah but the point is it was panned by everyone, but today well no one would give a monkeys about its faults, same with the clubman in a few years time
 
I like a thought behind a car. I like a soul behind a car. I like the ethos that says, the Multipla may look ugly, but we're going to put some effort into it. We're going to do what, as designers, we're paid to do. Design and style. Sometimes they go astray, but mostly the Italians get it right. The German's never really try that hard. Successive BMWs with their "original" round headlights and their "original" round dials. Look at the VW Touran is simply a box as opposed to the Multipla which is a styling tour de force. Design-wise it's brilliant. What FIAT can't do is build a car that matches the Germans and Japanese for reliability and Ford for driving pleasure. Looking back over the last 40 years, I can think of many classic Italian cars, but not many German ones. The Mini is well made and has excellent handling; but, it's really a pastcihe of the original. It's lost the design and packaging cleverness of 50 years ago. The rear legroom is really no better than the original, neither is the
boot, yet the car is much bigger. The 500 is also bigger than it's forebear but still maintains the original idea of a small compact car that's cheap(ish) to buy and cheap to run. Every time I came out to a 500 I would smile, every time I came out to a new Mini I would think that everyone else bought one for the badge and not what it does, how it does it and what it looks like.

Agreed about the differrentiation between design and style. Many people don't understand the difference. Not sure about German reliability though. Japanese yes, and I'd have a Jazz any day of the week - brilliant. And I see as many tired old Fiats on the road as I do old German cars, which says a lot I reckon, as more German cars are sold here!
 
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yeah but the point is it was panned by everyone, but today well no one would give a monkeys about its faults, same with the clubman in a few years time

Hmmm....I'm pretty sure the e-type was well received by most people on it's launch....

However, I think the Clubman will always be what it is today....An ugly, badly designed attempt to further cash in on the MINI's appeal....:eek:
 
Hmmm....I'm pretty sure the e-type was well received by most people on it's launch....

However, I think the Clubman will always be what it is today....An ugly, badly designed attempt to further cash in on the MINI's appeal....:eek:

:yeahthat: For every XJS, there is an allegro or marina a car that truly deserved to be panned for being awful and still is.
 
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