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Victoir

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Need some help please guys & gals.

I am at present looking to fit a cat replacement and sportier air filter on my 20v Turbo but feel that the subsequent power needs to be counter balanced with better stopping/handling for the car.

WHAT IS THE CHEAPEST WAY OF ACHIEVING THE ABOVE OBJECTIVE?

I feel that replacing my Pirelli P-Zero's with some Yokohoma AVS Sports (silica compound for better grip in wet & dry) plus a set of AP Lockheed/Ferrodo Racing brake pads will be the simplest way to do this.

Thanks in advance for your input,

Yours
Audi TT / S3 beater.
 
Well the subsequent power increase of the mods you list aint gonna add up to much, you will probably notice the turbo spool up a bit quicker but you really need to combine it with a UNICHIP etc to get the best from a CAT replacement. Also, it's worth noting that the resultant decrease in back pressure can cause oil to weep through the turbo seals which can result in a lot of smoke on idle - changing to a higher viscosity oil helps (like 10W 50 Mobil 1 Motorsport).

I also wouldn't go for an induction kit as they are just too noisey and offer little benefit - stick to a replacement panel filter, which is also more insurnace friendly.

I'd recommend the Falken FK-451 as a good tyre replacement to the P-zero's. They offer about the same level of grip in the dry but easily outperfom the Pirrelis in the wet. Much cheaper too.

For the handling - fit a strut brace (which is standard on the LE) - fantastic improvement in the twisties. Both the brake pads that you mention will be a good improvement.

SpunkyM...
Fiat Coupe 20VT, Bailey DV, K&N panel, PBV @ 1.1bar.
 
Thank you very much for your reply SpunkyM.

I have had the cat replacement + BMC panel filter done and the brakes sorted also - you were bang on when you said there'd only be a slight increase in performance in my 20VT. Hmmmpphhhh! Gimme juice, i need more juice!

Again i need guidance from your good self for the next four steps in my five step plan to take over the planet in my Coop a la Baron Greenback stylee.
The overall plan is to get the car up to 300bhp / 325lb/ft (slightly less than 50% increase power - apparently, this is the car's design threshold - after this things start to break. Is this true)

I'd like consolidate the cat replacement job by fitting SuperSprint exhaust + Millenium chip, then lowering it on Eibach springs by 35mm.

In the spring, (when the air gets a little warmer) i want to for a PACE intercooler + charge cooler kit. I reckon these mods should get me near the 290/300bhp mark i mentioned earlier.

Please can i have your input (or anyone else with experience) as to the above suggestions, especially regarding the M chip and when to fit it. Thanks.

Victoir
 
Do you think you can reach 300Hp with the stock turbocharger[:0][?]I think it's impossible even with an oversized IC and ECU re-mapping;)...then don't forget Fiat pistons are reliable at range power they've been designed for, if you want to increase of 50% your horses' number you'll need to look for forged alloy units, i.e. Mahle,Pistal Racing,CPS...[8D]
 
I believe over 300hp is possible with the T3 on a 60 trim compressor and probable .57 housing. I'm running a 60 trim compressor in a .48 housing with a modified .48 turbine and have seen 290, but forged bottom end as you say - 16V though with flowed head...:p Thermal coated OEM pistons on the 16V have also proved good for reliable 240 hp...[8D]
 
Hi Victoir,

300bhp is certainly achievable on the 20VT and you'd probably just scrape in with the std T28 running around 1.4bar boost but charge temps are gonna be sky high as it will have to spin very quickly to maintain any sort of decent boost level at higher revs. You are gonna be pushing close to the design threshold with that compressor size so you need a good fully synthetic oil in there and I'd recommend changing it every 3-4000 miles otherwise the turbo is gonna suffer and will probably die prematurely.

You need to look very seriously at cooling the charge otherwise you are into diminishing returns (the more boost you run the hotter the charge gets and the more the air expands resulting in a net decrease in pressure so turbo has to spin even faster until... meltdown). The upgraded intercooler will help a bit but not as much as you might think. You almost certainly need to be into charge cooling as you suggest and I wouldn't leave it until spring.

ECU wise, obviously you are looking at a remap, I'm not familiar with the Millenium chip so I can't comment on that. I can say that the Novitech and the Unichip, both give good results. I'd be tempted to go for the Unichip and have it set up on a rolling road. I'd be surprised if you didn't run out of puff with std fuelling so you are probably looking at an uprated fuel pressure regulator and possibly fuel pump. You could go up an injector size as well but it can make the idle a bit more lumpy and I doubt it would be neccessary for 300bhp. Of course pre-programmed chips like the Novitech and Superchips have a set map so increasing fuel pressure or injector size is a no no with these chips. This is where the Unichip has a big advantage as it is programmed to suit your individual setup whatever that may be. Many people combine these with aftermarket boost controlers such as the Apexi which can give a lot of flexibility in controlling overboost etc but they are not essential.

The Supersprint exhaust is a good mod and will help the breathing to liberate a few extra ponies. Sounds great too without been boomy on the motorway and the fit is spot on.

The engine internals will probably be OK at around 300bhp but you certainly wouldn't want to go any more. I reckon you'll get away with the stock pistons as long as you keep the charge temps under control and the fuelling does not run lean (which is absolutely critical). Head gaskits on the 20VT are well rated and should take the power no probs. Similarly, bottom end is pretty darn tough and I'd say you get away with keeping this stock too.

You might find the clutch starts slipping a bit, if so then an uprated one is on the cards but I'd wait to see before comitting any cash.

As for the lowering, be careful as the ride can really suffer making the car crashy over the bumps. The suspension bushes also take a hammering so you might want to think about upgrading the material as well. In my oppinion for the cost Vs benefit of lowering the car I'd say it's not a good value mod. As said before, get the strut brace on and see what you think. Some people have fited an uprated anti-roll bar and reported good results but again it's a lot of labour for a modest improvement.

Good luck, and let us know how you get on ;)



SpunkyM...
Fiat Coupe 20VT, Bailey DV, K&N panel, PBV @ 1.1bar.
 
Dear All

Thank you ever so much for your imput regarding my plan to get my 20vt to approx. 300bhp - i shall keep all posted as to how i get on.

I have decided to opt for the tried and tested Unichip,unfortunately, the earliest possible appointment date is mid February 2004 at Owen Develpments. These guys do perform a rolling raod test but have upped their buy + fit price from £699 to £821 (via L & M International).
Does anyone know where i can get this chip fitted more quickly and more cheaply (incorrect grammar i know). [:0]

Also, from SpunkyM's comments regarding hot charge etc, it'd probably make more sense for me to fit an uprated Intercooler + Charge cooler before the above mentioned mod.

As i type this i am having the SuperSprint exhaust and Eibach lowering springs (see previous emails) i spoke about before fitted.
I shall let you know how i get on with this too. (SpunkyM, i have taken note of what you said reference this mod being potentially detrimental to ride quality so i shall be sure to specify softer compound bushes.) Thank you.

Regards

Victoir :D

P.S. - After the above mods i will quite happy with 280bhp.
 
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