Panda 2012+ Hybrid Sport

[The Panda Nut]

Id be very interested how you compare the performance and economy after you have got settled in. I do like the colour.

 

[FiatMatt94]

I was thinking about getting one when they first mentioned it as before launch I heard it might of had the T-Jet which would have been rapid & then it launched with the standard 1.0 Firefly hybrid which sort of put me off trading mine in as there was only 1 bhp difference, this could have been Fiat's chance to do a 319 version of the 100hp imagine that, still a very cool looking car though I like the interior especially on these. I didn't know until I stood up close to one some of them have Matt paint, stuff trying to keep on top of that

 

[TomekR]

Just joined the forum and have a question to Sport's owner's.

Namely, do you have upper handles in your car?
I'm not sure about the naming, so I mean item 735549178 on the below diagram in Eper
HOME
FIAT
PANDA
33 NUOVA PANDA (2012-....)
705 INTERNAL TRIM
70525 ACCESSORIES AND VARIOUS GASKETS
70525/20 HANDLE GRIPS

Ours is missing them and my wife complains while driven as a passenger, so I'm thinking of adding one...

As I wasn't able to find our vehicle by VIN in the ePer, I'm not sure whether the mentioned 735549178 will fit our vehicle, as the interior is dark (body' color is the amazing mat grey), so should be the handle. I've seen one picture with dark grey handle, but not sure whether was it Panda Sport.

 

[Motorcyclist Colin]

Pardon my ignorance but what exactly is a "Mild Hybrid"?

 

[Panda IIs]

Pardon my ignorance but what exactly is a "Mild Hybrid"?

It's a "fix" from a number of manufacturers to extend the life of vehicle designs to meet ever stringent emissions requirements. Typically involves an alternator that functions as an electric motor to "boost" engine output (and therefore use less fuel, producing less CO2) drive is via (I presume a beefed up) alternator belt. There's an additional battery pack in the panda and I believe there is some regeneration functionality. Others will give you chapter and verse on here and there are some that are sharing the ownership experience... Additional power input is limited to a handful of horses.

 

[The Panda Nut]

Pardon my ignorance but what exactly is a "Mild Hybrid"?

Compares to Pandas like Liz Truss to a lettuce... Actually harsh.

Low powered battery system doing lower level of work.IN pandas case a 12v battery co trbuti g a few hp and aidi g initial acceleration. Cannot propel the car without its ice.

 

[timmycm850]

yep mild hybrid is a small boost at about 4.8hp. Much cheaper to build than a Prius type of hybrid but doesn't regen anywhere as much

Mild hybrid is the only way of having a manual gearbox and some form of electric input, any other type of hybrid is an out type box.

Tim

 

[Marcus Daly]

Incomparable to a pukka hybrid like a Prius, but I'm becoming like a scratched record on what a con these wretched fake "hybrid" Fiats are, so I shall say no more!

 

[timmycm850]

Hybrid is just two power sources working in partnership simple as that. I wouldn't get caught up in "fake" suggestions. If you want an aygo hybrid it will set you back £25k a Fiat hybrid will be £15k , you will get more economy from a more Hybrid type Hybrid. i just don't like auto Boxes, we all make our choices.

If you banked the £10k difference for four years at 5% interest you would have over £12k ready for your next car.

 

[Marcus Daly]

I ran Toyota/Lexus hybrids for nearly twenty years as a company car driver.

SAIC will sell you a pukka hybrid MG3 for change out of £18K and it's not an archeological relic like the Panda.

 

[timmycm850]

Changing the argument, you were comparing to Toyota, oh I thought you said you would 'say no more'

 

[Herts Hillhopper]

Pardon my ignorance but what exactly is a "Mild Hybrid"?

Basically a very slightly enhanced stop-start, where a belt-driven starter motor is used to initially move the car after a stop before the engine fires. It’s not really a hybrid as the car cannot move more than a few feet under electric power alone. As soon as the engine fires, electric propulsion stops. Some claim a BHp increase but that’s not correct in the Panda’s case - the petrol engine’s power remains unchanged, although there is a tiny advantage to be gained from the engine taking over after a (3 mph) rolling start. If you’ll pardon the pun, there is a second generation of mild hybrid that uses a much more powerful starter and a 48v battery - Ford as an example use this. But the Panda doesn’t.

That same belt driven motor operates as the alternator once the car is moving, charging the main battery, and when it can, the separate stop-start battery too. But, and it’s a big but, the supplementry battery is only charged when coasting or braking, and only if the main battery is at 100%. Many are finding the stop-start battery isn’t being charged around town.

The system was used as a way of car makers getting more cars into the hybrid emissions test class and to show reduced emissions on the simulated urban drive, reducing their total brand’s carbon emissions. Most car makers offer them now. In the UK the tax situation is vague, but not all mild hybrids are recognised. See here https://www.bvrla.co.uk/guidance/tax-vat/tax-treatment-of-mild-hybrids.html

 

[Motorcyclist Colin]

Thanks everyone. Doesn't sound like my cup of tea!

 

[SB1500]

The Panda Sport model should have been out years ago! Looks stunning, matt paint? Has it got a black headliner too? Beautiful. Wish I snagged one.

I'd say 75% of the cars on our road are 'look fast, not fast' so ignore comments like that on the Panda Sport. This was short lived and I reckon will be a valuable collectors item trim in the future for this generation of Panda