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Oldschool said:
I don't think it is a rip-off I just feel £100 for an Induction kit on a car not worth more than say £600 is a bit steep, especially when If it was £60-£80 I could afford one quicker.
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I don't think it is a rip-off I just feel £100 for an Induction kit on a car not worth more than say £600 is a bit steep, especially when If it was £60-£80 I could afford one quicker.
Thanks Jug, someone who actually sees sence in the matter and knows what they are talking about.
I will ignore Oldschools comment, hes just bitter and biased and not really worth listening to anyway.
All the critisisms all have points that I have already considered. I'm not in it to get rich, I already have a job that gets me by fine and if this were to get me an extra few quid in my pocket then I cant complain. Im not trying to be the next K&N and take over the world. This is just a hobby or a side line that I would like to do as I do it anyway on my own cars and some others.
Considering this is just a simple question of what you would cosider your max price to pay for an induction kit, this has got quite deep. I havent even mentioned the audience I would be aiming at.
I will ignore Oldschools comment, hes just bitter and biased and not really worth listening to anyway.
All the critisisms all have points that I have already considered. I'm not in it to get rich, I already have a job that gets me by fine and if this were to get me an extra few quid in my pocket then I cant complain. Im not trying to be the next K&N and take over the world. This is just a hobby or a side line that I would like to do as I do it anyway on my own cars and some others.
Considering this is just a simple question of what you would cosider your max price to pay for an induction kit, this has got quite deep. I havent even mentioned the audience I would be aiming at.
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Bushboy said:
Why am I bitter? Because you gave back to me an induction kit you asked me for? Why am I biased?
What you forget is that I do this work since the time you played in the sandbox.
People who talk like you are in real danger. You are getting emotional, which is one of the worst mistakes to be made in business.
I have been working with a number of manufacturers on the development side and consultancy side and I have seen a number of companies go bust who had the same attitude.
If you think that I see you as a competition the think twice. By the time you can sell your first product as tested and proven I have sold quite some more induction kits. Even if you have today the products ready for sale, why should I be bothered. In a market that sells worldwide 50 cars every second I would never come across a problem. I have supplied my products not only to Britain. I have clients in Germany, Greece, Austria and Taiwan. Currently I prepare outlets Poland and Spain.
What would I have to fear?
If you would present this quote to the likes of Alan Sugar or Paul Getty, what do you think their reply would be. If you really mean what you stated then you lost the business before you started it. I think you have to do a lot of thinking.
BTW, this accusation some people would see as an insult, but I try to think different and give you the benefit of the doubt.
SkinzCinqSporting said:I don't think it is a rip-off I just feel £100 for an Induction kit on a car not worth more than say £600 is a bit steep, especially when If it was £60-£80 I could afford one quicker.
This wasn't addressed at you. I respect that some people can't afford it and other don't want to afford it and after all we are all free to decide what we want to have.
Unfortunately some very destructive elements will claim this and turn your cash flow upside down as a small and/or new company. I have suffered a lot of abuse in the industries. This was simply aimed to make clear to Bushyboy what he is letting himself into.
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Bushboy said:
Is he really not worth listening to?:idea: someone who is in the very market you are considering entering?:idea: someone who obviously has a wealth of knowledge on the subject of tuning and engineering? :idea: ESPECIALLY with induction kits..
I'd say you'd be very silly not to take advice from someone like Pete.
You seem to want to hear encouragement and nothing else...
But hey why listen to an engineer with a proven track record and proven products when you obviously have a wealth of knowledge in the subject?
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Oldschool said:
OK, I thought it might have been, my bad
.going by your reply, you seem more bothered than you are making out.
No, I dont think you see me as a threat and I wouldnt expect you to or want you to as Im not and doubt I would be.
you still havent grasped the idea that Im not going to be doing this full time, nor would I quit my normal job to continue this further.
Maybe I shouldnt have use the term "buisness" in the first post.
What am I in danger of? I dont get what your saying, nothing in your post would relate to me atall, Ive said plenty of times in this thread that i wouldnt plan to make anything big out of this, just selling something ive made on the side which may make me a bit of pocket money.
As for the Punto Kit, I didnt ask you for it, you asked me to do you a favour and fit it to make measurements and cut it to the correct size etc, something you couldnt do yourself as you dont own the car. I didnt and wouldnt have benefitted any anyway from doing this and was simply doing it as a favour. Shame I didnt get a thank you on returning the kit, just a few rude comments. Maybe I should invoice you for the time and effort I spent fitting and cutting the kit and the time my car was off the road, not to mention the time I sat around waiting for you to not turn up at my house, to which I still havent recieved an appology.
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No, I dont think you see me as a threat and I wouldnt expect you to or want you to as Im not and doubt I would be.
you still havent grasped the idea that Im not going to be doing this full time, nor would I quit my normal job to continue this further.
Maybe I shouldnt have use the term "buisness" in the first post.
What am I in danger of? I dont get what your saying, nothing in your post would relate to me atall, Ive said plenty of times in this thread that i wouldnt plan to make anything big out of this, just selling something ive made on the side which may make me a bit of pocket money.
As for the Punto Kit, I didnt ask you for it, you asked me to do you a favour and fit it to make measurements and cut it to the correct size etc, something you couldnt do yourself as you dont own the car. I didnt and wouldnt have benefitted any anyway from doing this and was simply doing it as a favour. Shame I didnt get a thank you on returning the kit, just a few rude comments. Maybe I should invoice you for the time and effort I spent fitting and cutting the kit and the time my car was off the road, not to mention the time I sat around waiting for you to not turn up at my house, to which I still havent recieved an appology.
Anyway :Offtopic:
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I didnt ask for anything to be honest, just a simple click on the poll. I can take critisism and dont mind it. It seems, however, that all the negative comments (pretty much all of them) have jumped to the conclusion that I want to run K&N into the ground with my groundbreaking induction kits
Oldschool said:
RIGHTO...
I see this and quite a lot of things on here recently spiralling out of control.
WHY?! Conflict of interests?!
I'd be interested to see what you come up with Bushboy, I myself didn't want to pay silly prices for a BMC/CDA so had to go about making up an induction kit for my car from ali pipe and what not. If you feel you can achieve I say go for it fella.
under £100 I'd say is viable depending on the application and how much the market dictates the normal price for a "kit" to be
Dan
I thought that comment bit odd too.
How can the bravo market be dying? The cars are cheap to buy now and easy to maintain, yes this means that alot of the owners are people who buy just as a run around but it also means that some of the owners are young people who like to spend some money on there car to make it look/perform better.
I think there are people out there to sell too. Hell, theres a whole owners club that probably wouldnt mind gettign there hands on something...
How can the bravo market be dying? The cars are cheap to buy now and easy to maintain, yes this means that alot of the owners are people who buy just as a run around but it also means that some of the owners are young people who like to spend some money on there car to make it look/perform better.
I think there are people out there to sell too. Hell, theres a whole owners club that probably wouldnt mind gettign there hands on something...
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Bravo is my potential next car so Chris's young driver comment is justified
My understanding of why you wanted the kit was different. I am sorry if I misunderstood that.
From the pm you sent me I understood that you have to go earlier to Dave and didn't want me to come over to fit the kit. I am sorry again to have misunderstood that.
From you asking me how much this kit is for you I was under the impression that you wanted it. Sorry again.
You still seem not to understand what I am talking about. Maybe I am too stupid.
All I know that if I cast doubts on that project that I have got quite some reason for it.
Example 1:
A friend of mine fitted for another friend as a specialist an item that he didn't want to fit as it was in his opinion not correct and could potentially do damage. He made the mistake and did it. When things went wrong and he finally stood in front of the judge the judge asked him why he acted against his better judgement and had to pay compensation. Such claims aren't covered by a standard public liability insurance.
Example 2:
Someone else I know for a long time fitted to a clients high end classic sports car an add on item. The owner had known that his engine was on the way out but tried to blame the specialist who fitted it. The car in question fortunately was impounded and the specialist could proove that the other side acted fraudulently. Still a lot of money had to be paid to the own solicitor.
This is something that goes on in this industries quite a bit. How are you going to protect yourself against such cases?
Do you want to know the feeling of receiving a letter from a solicitor for a claim that means you might loose you your house?
Jug has got quite some points even if I do not agree to all of it. But unlike me he hasn't had worked in this minefield for over 20 years.
I can tell you one thing for sure. If things go this way and you should sit on the streets all the clever people around you will tell you that they could have told you.
I tell you now and not when it has gone the wrong way that I could have told you.
You might know about the industries but you are ever so far from knowing the industries.
From the pm you sent me I understood that you have to go earlier to Dave and didn't want me to come over to fit the kit. I am sorry again to have misunderstood that.
From you asking me how much this kit is for you I was under the impression that you wanted it. Sorry again.
You still seem not to understand what I am talking about. Maybe I am too stupid.
All I know that if I cast doubts on that project that I have got quite some reason for it.
Example 1:
A friend of mine fitted for another friend as a specialist an item that he didn't want to fit as it was in his opinion not correct and could potentially do damage. He made the mistake and did it. When things went wrong and he finally stood in front of the judge the judge asked him why he acted against his better judgement and had to pay compensation. Such claims aren't covered by a standard public liability insurance.
Example 2:
Someone else I know for a long time fitted to a clients high end classic sports car an add on item. The owner had known that his engine was on the way out but tried to blame the specialist who fitted it. The car in question fortunately was impounded and the specialist could proove that the other side acted fraudulently. Still a lot of money had to be paid to the own solicitor.
This is something that goes on in this industries quite a bit. How are you going to protect yourself against such cases?
Do you want to know the feeling of receiving a letter from a solicitor for a claim that means you might loose you your house?
Jug has got quite some points even if I do not agree to all of it. But unlike me he hasn't had worked in this minefield for over 20 years.
I can tell you one thing for sure. If things go this way and you should sit on the streets all the clever people around you will tell you that they could have told you.
I tell you now and not when it has gone the wrong way that I could have told you.
You might know about the industries but you are ever so far from knowing the industries.
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