General Hi.

[floatinglandrover]

I am new to this forum but have had a few pandas over the years and have just bought a panda cross with a suspected camchain failure and could do with a little advice. I am in the process of removing the timing chain cover but can't get the sump off despite having removed all the bolts. Is the sump glued on or am I missing something I don't want to force it in case I distort it. Thanks Brian.

 

[jon1612]

I am new to this forum but have had a few pandas over the years and have just bought a panda cross with a suspected camchain failure and could do with a little advice. I am in the process of removing the timing chain cover but can't get the sump off despite having removed all the bolts. Is the sump glued on or am I missing something I don't want to force it in case I distort it. Thanks Brian.

usualy stuck on with "silicone sealent" type gasket stuff or the paper gasket sticks over the years you could try running a stanley knife round the sump gap

 

[floatinglandrover]

Thanks I'll give it another go tomorrow I've run out of motivation for today having started trying to see the rockers and valves and ending up removing an engine mount ,injection pump, exhaust etc etc and still have no idea how to remove the crank pulley as a windygun won't touch it .

 

[Goudrons]

Putting the car in gear and jamming the brakes on (either with a block on the pedal or screwdrivers stuck in the calipers) should lock up the engine enough to crack the pulley bolt with a breaker bar/scaffold extension.

Impact wrenches, whether air or battery don't usually generate enough torque to crack these as they are freckin' tight and threadlocked on.

 

[floatinglandrover]

I made a tool out of an old mower blade to hold the crank and got it free but it did take a lot of force.
It's all in pieces now.
Found a broken cam chain and 4 broken rockers but otherwise there seems to be no damage to the valves or pistons so have ordered the parts and timing tool and hopefully will have it sorted over the weekend.
Can't wait to get out on the road in it I really regret selling our eleganza last year.

 

[stu0710]

I am new to this forum but have had a few pandas over the years and have just bought a panda cross with a suspected camchain failure and could do with a little advice. I am in the process of removing the timing chain cover but can't get the sump off despite having removed all the bolts. Is the sump glued on or am I missing something I don't want to force it in case I distort it. Thanks Brian.

Was this the Green / Cream one that recently sold on ebay? If so & if it doesn't need a load of new parts then you got a real bargain

 

[The Beard]

With regard to changing the timing chain, it seems as if the MJ motor is more at home in a larger car. It seems to be better if you can take off the front panel and radiator, plus anything else that gets in the way.

What I don't get is that if you have to replace a neoprene timing belt at around 40,000 miles, then much of the money saved from running a more economical diesel will be lost if the chain has to be chained at 80K or less. It's going to cost me around £600 to have the job done at a specialist.

The bloke who owns a garage opposite where I live has done the same job on his son's Corsa with the same engine. I asked how much it would cost if he did mine. Apparently there isn't enough money in the Northern Hemisphere, and furthermore he seemed to think it was a fatherless child.

 

[floatinglandrover]

Yes that's the one, I figured that even if it went for £3500 and cost me a grand for an engine it would still be a cheap car but as it went a lot cheaper and is repairable we are very happy.
Not so happy to see it being off roaded in a farmer's weekly review on utube but it all looks clean and straight underneath.

 

[Wee Smurf]

It took the garage where mine was done a full day to do the job. It basically requires the driver's side to be disassembled and reassembled (not a job for the faint-hearted). A lot of work, but well worth it.

 

[floatinglandrover]

I would be surprised if it took a full day in a professional garage , mine has taken about five hours so far and I reckon another two should do it but baring in mind I have to do mine on the floor crawling about underneath it would be a hell of a lot quicker on a ramp in a tidy garage as I must have spent at least an hour looking for something I only just had in my hand.

 

[floatinglandrover]

Well it took a little longer than planned due to all the torqueing up of so many nuts but after turning over for a while to get the diesel through she started up and runs great.
I am going to run it up tomorrow and give it another oil change
to give it a thorough clean out as I think that's why the chain snapped since the oil looked like it hadn't been changed for a long while then out on the open road.