Technical Hesitation when pulling away, 500 Lounge, 2018 with 1.2 engine, no fault codes

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Technical Hesitation when pulling away, 500 Lounge, 2018 with 1.2 engine, no fault codes

Following all the response posts from a few days ago, I've been experimenting paying particular attention to pulling away from stationary.

The car will pull away from stationary by engaging the clutch and without applying any pressure to the accelerator pedal.
It does this quite comfortably albeit it does not accelerate quickly, it would be fine pulling away on a quiet road but not say pulling out of a busy junction with a lot of traffic.
Of course after pulling away like this after a few seconds one has to depress the accelerator to come up to speed which is when the brief hesitation occurs.
I then asked myself the question would this work when pulling away from stationary on hill? And yes it did on a moderately steep hill.

I further tried it on quite a steep hill, I couldn't quote the percentage incline, suffice to say it was of such steepness that required the handbrake to be pulled up more forcefully than usual to hold the car on the hill. So, with the car in first gear, and no pressure at all on the accelerator, the engine is on tickover, I engage the clutch slowly and the car pulls away. I was surprised! Therefore I assume the ecu is opening the throttle and increasing the amount of petrol and air into the engine and hence the engine has the required power to pull away on the hill, but without increasing the engine RPM, it remains more or less on tickover.

I'm surprised by all this, being "old school" I thought all cars had accelerator cables to actuate the throttle within the carb or throttle body! That was until buying the Fiat and looking into all this did I realise the throttle is advanced by some sort of potentiometer on the pedal and presumably a solenoid moving the throttle butterfly.

I removed the VVT solenoid, cleaned it with carb spray cleaner, oiled it with engine oil and replaced it - I thought this might bring a result because when I bought the car in April I believed the oil had not been changed for some time, the oil was quite dirty another give away the oil filter had rust on the outside! I've never seen rust on the outside on a car's oil filter before. So driving it after cleaning - no noticeable difference!

I then cleaned the MAP sensor and driving it after there seemed no noticeable difference!

I'll try a further clean of the throttle body on the next session.

It won't be a big deal if this hesitation isn't resolved. And I'm half expecting it won't be! Though I'm finding out new automotive stuff!
Clean the VVT again more thoroughly. I think they suffer carbon build up, it may take a few gos. Soak it in oil before refitting. I think it took 3 cleans to get a result on ours but when it finally freed up is was a very big change for the better . It still has a flat spot but now hardly noticable. Before it was getting pretty awful.
 
When this feature was first introduced (around 2014 IIRC), some said it made the car almost undriveable in certain situations. My understanding is that this was fixed with a software update some while ago; by 2018 it should have been resolved before it even left the factory.
I'm not convinced there ever was a software update - at least one that introduced any material dfifference; all the Euro 6 cars I've driven (which is a few) all behave the same.... I think people got used to it, and maybe Fiat said there was a software update but the furore just died down in the end. I suspect the original software was necessary for type approval to Euro 6 and they would have been reluctant to change it.

Good workaround though!
 
When this feature was first introduced (around 2014 IIRC), some said it made the car almost undriveable in certain situations. My understanding is that this was fixed with a software update some while ago; by 2018 it should have been resolved before it even left the factory.

If you don't like this behaviour, there is a workaround, which might fix your hesitation problem.

Remove the sensor from the clutch pedal, secure it out of the way with a cable tie or whatever, but don't disconnect the wiring to it (you'll get an error code if you do).

Costs nothing but time to give it this a try, and you can easily put it back if you don't like it.

The VVT solenoid doesn't do much below 3000rpm, so I doubt fiddling with that is going to help the pulling away problem.
Thanks for the feedback jrk....
Yes, I've seen some of the information about the original issues ref 2014, e.g. a video of a 500 with difficulty pulling up hill, e.g. see Youtube URL...

My car doesn't have the same issues. If this was a real issue affecting large numbers of cars off production at the time then they (Fiat) must have fixed it.

I have seen the information about the clutch pedal sensor and I might try this and see how the car drives.

Kind regards
 
I've tried all the potential fixes suggested, the car's now running on higher octane fuel, i.e. the 05, it's a bit more expensive but that's OK I don't do a high mileage and the car's very fuel economical.

I haven't detected any difference. It's not the end of the world! I may try the clutch pedal sensor removal, just to see how it drives if for no other reason.

Thanks for all input and feedback.
Kind regards
 
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