Technical Help me i'm going nuts!

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Miklad

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Hi to anyone who can shed light on this!

Just bought a Multipla JTD four weeks ago on an 02 plate - 57,000 miles.

As soon as we got it home - it became very sluggish in 1st and second, hardly rising above 2500 revs and the infamous engine light and 'Engine cntrl faulty' warning came on.

I immediately searched for these symtoms on the good old interweb and arrived at this forum, only to read untold similar tales.

We took it straight back to the dealer and he had it for a few days at his garage. It seems they changed the MAF and the MAP sensors, and stripped and cleaned the EGR valve, which, according to threads on this forum, should do the trick.

It hadn't. Within a DAY, the poor Multipla became just as bad as before.

So. Off I went to a local (Derby) independant Fiat specialist, who took it for a few days. They read the fault codes - seems airflow was half it should be at tickover. They checked the turbo with a mitivac - all fine.

They then changed the Airflow Meter - readings did not change. Then they changed the Turbo Electrovalve - the fault was the same, but the readings had changed. They said the engine management system thinks that there is turbo pressure even when the vehicle is not running. It transpires that the previous garage had put a MAP sensor in place of the turbo pressure sensor. They fitted the correct part and hey presto - no more engine light and all is well!

Nope. Had it for a day - and now the multipla is just as bad a before, but no engine light.

This is driving me crazy now - I just don't know what to do.

The symptoms are: When cold, the car has absolutely no power whatsoever. The Glow plugs warning light flashes on and off for about 30 seconds or so - searching for this on this forum results in it not being that much of an issue. Smoke comes out of the back, but only when cold. If I rev the engine to above 3000 revs (which is a feat in itself) I can JUST keep the car going.

Once warm, the car runs fine - although there are a couple of 'flat spots'. I've never had a diesel, so I find it hard to tell what's normal and what's not.

The father-in-law says it could just be a faulty switch that tells the ECU that the engine is warm or cold. To be honest, I haven't a clue about it at all, so before I get him to do that, I thought I'd ask you experienced guys on here.

If anyone can shed any light on this I'd be your best friend ever. Please help!

:cry:

Regards

Miklad
 
You would think it should have been located by now , it could be a wiring fault though which would be a right pain.
If it were me id check the exhaust aint blocked (collapsed cat) im not saying its a common thing but would explain extra pressure and not reving i think.
Im sure someon with a bit more knowledge will be along to dispel my theory soon so stick around and welcome to the forum.
 
You would think it should have been located by now , it could be a wiring fault though which would be a right pain.
If it were me id check the exhaust aint blocked (collapsed cat) im not saying its a common thing but would explain extra pressure and not reving i think.
Im sure someon with a bit more knowledge will be along to dispel my theory soon so stick around and welcome to the forum.

I had a similar problem and it turned out to be my EGR unit. When I put it into Fiat it did not show on diagnostic read out but had it changed and it now goes like a rocket. Was told by Fiat that this part rarely lasts longer than a couple of days when its cleaned, new one cost £ 80 unfitted or £ 167 fitted from Fiat
 
Thanks for the responses guys.

Been told now that it could be the ECU itself... seems there are two 5v senders to the ECU and one of them is prone to going down to 2v which can be a common problem.

Any thoughts?

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Hi we find that if you start the car a few minuetes before you set off, leave it to tickover (not rev it at all) it runs ok if you dont do above and set of down drive just after starting as any normal person would do, it struggles to rev!!.
we have used this method for two years know with no probs, but a clean egr a new air flow sensor (maf ) should help.
 
Aha... thanks, I've noticed that myself actually!

These damn Fiats - curiouser and curiouser!
 
Right - been running the Multi for the last couple of days SOLID - and it's not put a foot wrong!

I just don't get it.

Could it be that the ECU had to 'readjust' to the fact that it had a new MAF, Turbo Electrovalve and clean EGR?

Is that how these things work?

<puzzled>

:confused:
 
I think some cars need to have the fault codes wiped to see the new ok sensors, i know my alfa used to go through lanmda sensors and it was the case with that.
 
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