Technical Help!!! Car over heating

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Technical Help!!! Car over heating

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i was driving before and got stuck in traffic and noticed my temp gauge was pretty high :( i was stoppin and starting for about an hour and the gauge was moving up and down slowly.. once i was out the traffic and started moving the gauge went right too the top then went back to normal temp..
Any ideas what could have caused this?
 
Coolant level OK?
I do hope you use the correct mixture of water and coolant as water alone will lead to rusted / furred up cooling channels around the block, head, radiator and heater matrix.

If the coolant level is correct try flushing it through and re-filling with the proper mixture, as long as you have no leaks, if you have leaks, fix those first.
 
yer i think the fluid level is ok.. but i could try flushing out and getting new... what is the ratio of fluid : water?

if this is any help.. sometimes when im driving i can hear the sound of rushing water coming frommy dash? is that normal? or could there be something wrong with my heater matrix?
 
yer i think the fluid level is ok.. but i could try flushing out and getting new... what is the ratio of fluid : water?

if this is any help.. sometimes when im driving i can hear the sound of rushing water coming frommy dash? is that normal? or could there be something wrong with my heater matrix?

Sounds like a good flush, re-fill and a thorough bleed is in order, as regards mixture ratio, 50/50 should be OK but if you have the Owners Handbook it should be specific in there on quantity and type, type is important for the corrosion inhibitors. You dont have any damp patches under the dashboard either side of the centre console do you?
 
Might be causing increased friction inside the engine which would raise the temps slightly but I wouldn't blame the oil. Whilst you have the engine bay open I'd get and change the oil & filter if you've got the time and you don't know when it was last done :)

i gave the car a good service this time last year, done about 10k miles since should it be due another service for oil/filter now?
 
Might be causing increased friction inside the engine which would raise the temps slightly but I wouldn't blame the oil. :)

Sorry but this is rot. Either the oil is pumping around and engine is fine or its not. 10,000 miles oil is a bit old but not seriously so and the minimum mark on the dipstick is within service limits. Overheating is nothing to do with the oil. Make sure the coolant is circulating and all will be ok. But continue driving while its overheating and (like any modern car) the head gasket will blow.
 
All I was trying to point out is there will inevitably be some relation, but that is so small it's negligable, lower lubrication increases temperature due to friction, but that only becomes significant when there is bugger all oil (that and the oil will inevitably absorb some of the heat generated by the engine). Coolant levels however will affect the temps much more rapidly.
 
Low oil level only becomes a cooling issue when its seriously low. By then bearings are failing so its cooling ability is the least of your worries. Many cars have an oil to coolant heat exchanger so in the end its still down to the cooling system.
 
i think i may have found the problem... i checked my car today after driving on the motor way.. when i stopped i noticed that when my fan was spinning around it was wobbling about everywhere so im guessin the bearing has gone in it.. and that was causing my car to over heat.. i hope ive not caused too much damage too the car :(

since posting the first message the temp hasnt risen above the normal place it should be..

Also foun out the oil is leaking from a missing bolt thats out of the rocker cover so ill kill 2 birds with one stop and fix it all at the same time haha...
 
Low oil level only becomes a cooling issue when its seriously low. By then bearings are failing so its cooling ability is the least of your worries. Many cars have an oil to coolant heat exchanger so in the end its still down to the cooling system.

A pedantic clarification rather than trying to start an argument, but low oil will impact on coolant temps. This is not because of friction but because oil in the sump actually releases a lot of heat (try touching it after a run).

With insufficient oil, it is being recirculated through the engine more frequently (gaining more heat) and spending less time in the sump (releasing that heat). As a result, the engine runs hotter, and the coolant has to take up the strain. The effect can be about 5 degrees centigrade, depending on insatallation.

Under normal running, this just means the thermostat opens a bit more, and a barely distinguishable movement on the needle. But in one of the strees conditions when the thermostat is already open, the effect is more noticeable.

Manufacturers run a series of cooling tests for these stress conditions. these include:
- High speed
- Gentle climb at speed
- Steep climb
- Tickover (ie stationary in traffic)
- Heat sink (when you park up and switch it off - temps will rise before dropping)
All at max load capacity to stress the engine most. Effects vary depending on layout, and the effects can come from increased heat generation (engine working hard), airflow limited by road speed, and the water pump moving slowly due to the low engine speed. Every installation is different. Of course the biggest issue is air temp, and problems normally occur in summer heat. In the current cooler weather, you have a bigger problem and oil is just the icing on the cake.*

And of course you will have spotted the bigger issue. The already hot oil will provide less lubrication (and oil pressure will drop), and where it hits a hot spot in the engine it's more likely to break down and leave deposits. That's likely to make high coolant temps the least of your worries. So always make sure your oil is filled.

* My experience is from spending far too long analysing such tests for wolwide tests (and reading my O-level Geography text book to understand max temperatures in countries around the world)
 
Of course, a low oil level does no good, but any additional cooling from the oil is trivial. The heat has to go somewhere.

Unless the car has a separate oil radiator, the oil is cooled by the "water" radiator in the water/oil heat exchanger. Water will extract heat from the oil very easily as it has a much higher heat capacity. A low oil level makes no realistic difference modern car cooling systems will still adequately cool it.

However run the cooling system on tap water, forget to keep it topped up or otherwise abuse the servicing and the engine will fail. Quite possibly the "water" side of the oil cooler will get clogged and then all the oil overheating problems will come into play
 
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