Yeah I'll check it all after as I've got to go out now I'll empty all the coolant then take the thermostat out as I say the top of the 2 pipes coming out of the thermostat and water pump are then they are cold 1 half way down the other a quarter as they go in to the radiator well thanks guys for all the help it's much appreciated and I'll try everything and keep you updated later on after tea thanks
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