Technical Heater fan fix

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Technical Heater fan fix

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Hi I have been down to the shed again this time to stop the racket from our heater fan. The whole weight of the heavy motor armature is carried by the plastic of the fan thing rubbing on the top of the motor after not much wear the fan thing starts to catch and also the carbon brushes join the racket,I have tried to fix this with a thick piece of nylon and some garden shed engineering.
All quiet now ready for our Holls.
 

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I believe that there is some kind of a bearing that should hold the fan up, above the motor. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that if you remove the fan completely then the shaft will not fall out of the back of the motor.

The problem is that the plastic fan is only held in its vertical position by friction/rust against the metal shaft. A couple of weeks ago I was getting loud "donk" noises when driving over bumps, and it was the spinning fan hitting the plastic tray/box as it was too low. Mine was a new motor about a year ago, so it hasn't grown much rust to hold it in place yet. Presumably it had slipped down a mm or two.

I did manage to very carefully pull the plastic fan higher up the shaft so it's now clear. There was some very tentative hammering involved, similar to what you have done. However, I did it by resting the motor shaft pointing down against a block of wood, and gently hammered the plastic fan from behind via a length of 4" plastic pipe (see doodle). My thinking is that then the motor doesn't get the shocks, only the plastic does. The cores inside the motor can shatter if you give it too much shock.

If you go too high then it will rub against the underside of the bit where it mounts - the zone in the middle where it doesn't rub at top or bottom probably has about a 2mm tolerance. It's bloody awkward and there's a lot of work in doing a trial and error fit/removal to find out.

Mine now has the fan clear of the tray like yours is, but without your nylon washer underneath. So nothing is rubbing against anything - I'm presuming something within the motor is holding it up.

Mine is in about the same position as yours - basically just the bevelled tip of the shaft is showing above it.
 

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Hi perhaps mine is a earlier attempt by gm as the armature shaft at both ends is
free to go up or down the bearing being a phosphor bronze sphere with a hole in it and the sphere is to allow for alignment, on my first effort some time ago the bottom end was rusted and seized.Using a steel washer to take up the wear
wasn't a good idea hence the iron dust,hopefully the thick nylon washer will not wear out.
 
Mine has a lot of slop, ie you can slide it in and out. But it does stop against something when it slides down. I do think there needs to be a clear gap between the fan and motor body. I'd be worried about putting a meltable and/or flammable washer in. At least one Croma blower has caught fire before now - there's a lot of power and potential heat in there.
 
Hi I have been down to the shed again this time to stop the racket from our heater fan. The whole weight of the heavy motor armature is carried by the plastic of the fan thing rubbing on the top of the motor after not much wear the fan thing starts to catch and also the carbon brushes join the racket,I have tried to fix this with a thick piece of nylon and some garden shed engineering.
All quiet now ready for our Holls.

If I understand it right, the fan is on top of the motor and the washer is to prevent the fan from going down along the shaft, and stop it before it meets the top of the motor or the inside of the fanhouse. If so, do you think a jubilee clamp will do, instead of the nylon washer, much easier to get.
Thanks
Vento
 
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Put nothing in the gap. I disagree with the idea of a nylon washer for reasons stated previously. It will hold itself up, as it's designed to do.

Certainly not a jubilee clip - the fan is very precisely balanced with little clipped on weights. The same principle as the weights on wheels. If you clip on anything at all then it will probably tear itself apart the first time it spins.
 
Hi the washer did the job and we have covered another five thousend miles
quietly thankfully, I couldent find any thing in our cars motor that would maintain it's position, the bottom of the fan rotor bears directly onto the phospour bronze bearing thing and as it has worn both the armature and fan droped, the noies was coming from both the fan catching the housing and the carbon brushes
joined in the racket.Makes me wonder if all this friction straining the motor could cause it to over heat!.
 
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