General Handbrakes woes....

[Ziggy122]

So had the dreaded sei back for a repair, the handbrake was at top of the travel with no reserve and barely held

So ive stripped everything down
Cleaned a tiny lip off the drums
Copper slipped the friction spots (shoe to backplate)
Deglazed everything and had to free 1 of the sliding handbrake levers (only 1 side was actually been a handbrake)

Ive then gone under the car and wound the cable adjuster up about 1cm in to get 3/4 travel which holds with a few clicks travel

However to me its made the pedal severly sloppy

I cant see how the adjuster actually on the shoes moves to take the slack up
The look like new ferodo shoes but some reason there is alot of gap that needs taking out....

Any advice?

Ziggy

 

[Liquid Knight II]

Either they are self adjusting and should sort themselves out after a few miles or they are like other Fiat's I have worked on where there is a small plastic inspection cover on the back plate to access the adjuster or you need a small screw driver through one of the wheel bolt holes and a torch.

Snowing at the moment so I'll not be getting my Cinquecento on ramps to check. No offense.

 

[Ziggy122]

Either they are self adjusting and should sort themselves out after a few miles or they are like other Fiat's I have worked on where there is a small plastic inspection cover on the back plate to access the adjuster or you need a small screw driver through one of the wheel bolt holes and a torch.

Snowing at the moment so I'll not be getting my Cinquecento on ramps to check. No offense.

Not like my punto where i can adjust it

Hoping that they adjust now they can all move / work

Ziggy

 

[Liquid Knight II]

I just checked the owners and Haynes manual and it says nothing about manually adjusting the pin (between the shoes below the cylinder). But that's the one I adjust with a screw driver though one of the wheel bolt holes on the Panda.

All the Haynes says is adjusting the cable as you already have.

It took a week after fitting new shoes and cylinders for the Bravo to self adjust.

 

[Michael Dranfield]

I have to agree with this ,I can't see how the self adjuster works on this set up as the spring in the middle of the shoe seems to be much more powerful than the spring that pulls the shoes off the drum. That said I am right in the middle of one of these cars at the moment ,as well as many other things I have just replaced the back plate,hand brake lever,shoes springs brake cylinder and drums plus rear wishbones, and I found the new drum would not go on untill the shoes are levered back in as far as they would go.

 

[rallycinq]

The shoes mount on pins on the backplate.

That mount looks like a penny washer. The shoe moves about this point, so once the shoe is fitted, lever the shoe outwards until the drum just fits.

This will bring the pedal back.

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[Michael Dranfield]

Photo here is any one wants it, everything is brand new apart from the brake cylinder which has only been on 2 months.

 

[Ziggy122]

Photo here is any one wants it, everything is brand new apart from the brake cylinder which has only been on 2 months.

Ive got different retainer pins... mine as werr wedge style sprung loaded, not the compress and twist

Eitherway
Did say the car had to come back as it was wazzing it doen hard when i was doing it

Ziggy

 

[Ralf S.]

Here's mine.

If the pedal is sloppy, you need to bleed the brakes.

What can happen when you jostle the shoes is that you push in one end of the brake cylinder/piston and that forces out the other one. The two ends are connected with a spring.

If you pressed out the opposite cylinder piston too far, you will have air in the circuit.



Ralf S.

 

[rallycinq]

If the pedal travel is long....its the rear brakes that need adjusted...which I think is where we came in.

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